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57.5 Degrees of Pain Oct 2021 11:00am, 15 Oct 2021 7,882 posts	0 57.5 Degrees of Pain Use your bus pass If you organise the event for 2026.
Old Croc Oct 2021 11:09am, 15 Oct 2021 33,832 posts	0 Old Croc it usually takes that long on here
Old Croc Oct 2021 4:42pm, 15 Oct 2021 33,841 posts	0 Old Croc fetcheveryone.com/forum/north-coast-fetch-1609---the-findhorn-fetch-mile-festival-62087/ shall we then?
HappyG(rrr) Jun 2022 7:29am, 14 Jun 2022 42,632 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) Scottish independence campaign is about to start again. Vote targeted for end next year. Here we go again...! bbc.co.uk Be interesting to see how Johnson handles it. Will he ignore it as a minor issue, with disdain? Will he vociferously support the UK and hope to bolster his own position? Will he inadvertently be the SNP's best asset in the case for getting away from UK and its PM and broken political system? Point of order - would you rather we kept this on thr Politics thread? Dear Scottish Fetchies is for this topic specifically I believe? G
HappyG(rrr) Jun 2022 7:36am, 14 Jun 2022 42,633 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) Feb 2014 3683 posts 0 daviec Dave Cameron says it's for those living in Scotland to debate and decide. Except that he and the rest of the tories will fund a labour fronted campaign, and talk to everyone and anyone EXCEPT the Scottish Government or the people here. I'm not sure why they thought using the exact same arguments as they used against devolution in 1979 which proved to be entirely wrong, would work this time round. So now that they've realised that the fear and scaremongering tactics don't work, it's time to about turn and tell everyone that they were lying about us being a subsidised nation within the UK and that they don't just need us, but WANT us to stay. The thing is, we're not going anywhere, and we'll all still be pals and family. We'll still be right here as part of the British Isles, but with a government democratically decided by the people who live here, delivering policies that suit our part of the world, and not the City of London and the SE in general. If they REALLY loved us, they'd let us go Great summary on first page by Davies - 8 years ago. Will be 9 by time of vote. A lot of things have happened in that time. Like being out of EU. Rejoining EU quickly, see Ukraine offer, seems to be much more feasible according to EU. G
JRitchie Jun 2022 7:47am, 14 Jun 2022 3,172 posts	0 JRitchie …. Look at the NI border HG. Everything is feasible until realism kicks in and everyone is surprised that the Scottish dream of how we want to live and trade and work with RuK when independent actually depends as much if not more on what Westminster (and Brussels assuming we want to be in the EU) want and has little to do with what Scotlands wants. Independence is forever - not just the Johnson premiership.
HappyG(rrr) Jun 2022 8:00am, 14 Jun 2022 42,635 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) Agree JR, it's not because of Johnson, but he's a flippin brilliant case for leaving the Westminster political system! I don't think a Scotland England border would be a problem. Yes a load of paperwork to trade, but Scotland would increase its trade with the EU too. So I think it would balance out. But yes, def inconveniences for businesses who trade exclusively or largely between Scotland and rUK. Not pretending that isn't a consequence. G
JRitchie Jun 2022 8:12am, 14 Jun 2022 3,173 posts	0 JRitchie Scotland trade with RuK is 60% of Scotlands total. Scotland trade with EU is 20%. By comparison UK trade exports with EU were 42% of UK total in 2020. Quite sensible criticism was put to the positions put that UK would increase trade with RoW to compensate a drop off of trade with EU. The challenge for Scotland here is much greater as we rely on RuK more - not helped by the fact that much of Scotlands exports to EU will go via / through RuK.
jda Jun 2022 10:28am, 14 Jun 2022 12,721 posts	0 jda I would hope to see a much more honest debate about the costs and benefits. There’s no doubt that trade with rUK would suffer, the question is whether that’s a price worth paying for other benefits. There are certainly many examples of successful small north European countries to look at.
Dvorak Jun 2022 10:42am, 14 Jun 2022 25,470 posts	0 Dvorak A fantastic opportunity to boost Scotland's ports and shipping And with RuK desperate for trade partners, I'm sure they'd be happy to maintain strong trade links with Scotland. Or we'd cut off their electricity and gas.