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BaronessBL Apr 2016 3:50pm, 13 Apr 2016 5,397 posts	0 BaronessBL Well done D. I still on occasion get the jumping up and arm biting usually my fault when I've encouraged Wanda to have a chase/run about with me if she hasn't seen any dogs to play with. I don't think she would jump up and bite someone else's arm, unless they tried the same game, which obviously wouldn't happen but it does occur to me that anyone watching might think 'that woman's got a really aggressive dog, it just tried to bite her arm...' You're absolutely right that they need to know their place in the hierarchy. I think Wanda knows that my place is above her... I'm not quite sure what she thinks regarding the order of her and J though
KatieB Apr 2016 3:59pm, 13 Apr 2016 6,820 posts	0 KatieB I hope you don't mind me popping in...would welcome advice, I really thought of you all and the advice you've had for D2 actually. And at this point I must congratulate you, D2, you are being awesomely, amazing with your B. I admire you even more after Monday when I met a much smaller puppy than B. I went to see a lovely lady on Monday about a logo...she works from home and had warned me she had a lively lurcher puppy. She didn't keep the puppy in or away from me and I was jumped upon and bitten several times, definitely in a totally playful way but also in a very painful way...there were marks on my skin. I kept my arms down, and was firm but kind with the puppy. Gave it some attention but also tried to ignore the daft stuff. Not sure if I did the right thing. It was damn hard not to cry out when the pressure increased with some of the bites... So, I am going ahead with working with this lady, do any of you have any thoughts about how I could handle it better next time? I should mention, they just lost an older lurcher a few weeks ago...
BaronessBL Apr 2016 4:29pm, 13 Apr 2016 5,398 posts	0 BaronessBL If I were you I'd request that next time you visit her she shuts the dog in another room, that surely is not too much to ask anyone. You could perhaps say that the next day you had come up in some bruises where the dog had bitten you, although you understand it's a puppy and that's what (some) puppies do? Or perhaps you could arrange to meet her somewhere else like a local coffee shop? What did the owner do while the puppy was jumping on you/biting you? I would have died of embarrassment and put Wanda in another room/her crate if she had done that to a visitor, especially a work-related visitor
KatieB Apr 2016 4:42pm, 13 Apr 2016 6,821 posts	0 KatieB Thanks Baroness. Yes, I would have died too. She was certainly trying to control her verbally and did get a hold of her in the end. I do understand that training the puppy needs to involve real situations and real people, I have no problem being part of that as long as I'm reacting well and helping her to progress. I didn't feel scared at all. It just bloody hurt! I guess I could maybe talk to her beforehand about using my visit as training but with clear guidelines...would it be any good if the puppy was put in a lead? Therefore could be pulled away if she jumped or did some biting...I do remember Stephen mouthing us but it was never painful...
Sharkie Apr 2016 4:54pm, 13 Apr 2016 9,140 posts	0 Sharkie I absolutely agree with the Baroness. I would never allow any dog of mine to behave like that with a visitor - even if the visitor (or someone you meet outside) says, 'Oh it's alright.' Because it's not. Puppy should be in another room, or crated, playpenned or whatever. It's one thing to tolerate - while discouraging - your puppy to treat 'you' as a human pincushion while he or - but pack (family) members only!
Sharkie Apr 2016 5:00pm, 13 Apr 2016 9,141 posts	0 Sharkie oops - cross post and also should have read 'while he or she is teething or whatever'. Yes to puppy on lead. Lurchers are usually greyhounds crossed with something else - they are not little dogs and need to be taught manners quicksmart! Obv. all dogs do, but you'll get away with nothing with a big dog!
Sharkie Apr 2016 5:02pm, 13 Apr 2016 9,142 posts	0 Sharkie A further correction for the Baroness.... 'you'll get away with nothing with a big dog .... or a Staffie!'
KatieB Apr 2016 5:19pm, 13 Apr 2016 6,822 posts	0 KatieB She's greyhound crossed with....one of those long haired, graceful looking dogs...can't think of the name. Thanks, ladies. Will suggest a lead or if that's not satisfactory to her, then having her shut away and if that's not something she's happy to do I'll suggest meeting her elsewhere. She is a lovely dog and I'd have like to give her the chance to settle down around me but it was a business meeting and we needed to do that really.
KatieB Apr 2016 5:19pm, 13 Apr 2016 6,823 posts	0 KatieB Saluki??
Sharkie Apr 2016 5:23pm, 13 Apr 2016 9,143 posts	0 Sharkie Yes Saluki - that's one of the usual crosses, they're both sighthounds. Both big too!