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paulcook
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Thanks phal.
Rosehip
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retreading and fixing holes in the uppers is fine if you can run in minimal shoes - for those of us who need a bit of sponge under heels and arthritic big toe joints, shoes last as long as the cushioning does - which is a random length of time and fairly obvious to my feet when it's had it.

making stuff last because it *has* to is probably more common amongst runners than the ability to buy the next fancy thing because it's a new colour.
phal
phal
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paulcook wrote:Inov8 also do a Renov8 (I'm guessing that's who it's spelt!) project too now. My understanding is very limited, but I think it's just to retread trainers. Whether the idea catches on further, but I don't suppose any shops will see recycling as good for business.


Think Scarpa and La Sportiva have similar recycling / repair schemes too.

We’ve used a Cheshire trailing company for our climbing shoes and they offer resoling for walking shoes/boots and I think trainers too.
paulcook
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Some good stuff here. Thank you.

Though I also wonder how much it backs up DT's point too that offering such schemes is good PR work too.
phal
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That was re-soling company, strange autocucumber!
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By that, I assume you mean Greenwashing 😀 Plenty of that goes on…..
NDWDave
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All depends what you want from a coach

If you are trying to get from 14 hours down to sub 13 for 100 miles then an Ian Sherman or Sage Canaday would be miles better

If you are an 18 stone recovering alcoholic with mental health problems who just wants to do a sub 13 to finish a flat 50 miler, she is probably a lot more helpful.

Not sure an English Athletics badge will be a great deal of use whereas organising group sessions to help build confidence and resilience is better than an email with Monday: 3-4 x 2 mile repeats @ 10k-HM pace Tuesday…
phal
phal
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I think there’s two things with the inov8 stuff in terms of how they ‘support’ athletes - there’s sponsored athletes and then there’s ambassadors.

Allie, I believe, was an ambassador, so wore and shared their kit. To me it’s about representation and that goes with NDWDave’s post above - she a recovering alcoholic who has had issues with mental health who is also a runner, and in terms of having her on their books it shows a different kind of runner and it’s all about seeing folk who have done stuff and thinking, you know what, maybe I can too?

I’m not saying that she should or shouldn’t be an ambassador, or should or shouldn’t have won awards for her coaching but what she has done is try to practice what she preaches and has stopped the connection with inov8.

All credit to her for turning her life around and managing to get her career going within an area of her life that she loves. I also think she is just being ‘her’ she’s consistent in how she is and I think it is pretty much what you see is what you get. Take it or leave it.

I also think, PR stunt or not, companies have to start at least putting some stuff in motion about what to do about ‘stuff’ at least it gets conversations going and you never know, it may impact things. Far better than just going ‘well it’s not going to work so I’m not going to bother’.

Patagonia are a massive case in point for how a company Can work better environmentally - there’s a brilliant doc on Nat Geo I think about how much impact that company has had on South America - positive I hasten to add - in the creation of National parks and in their way of working and production of clothing and kit.
flyingfinn
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NDWDave wrote:All depends what you want from a coach If you are trying to get from 14 hours down to sub 13 for 100 miles then an Ian Sherman or Sage Canaday would be miles better If you are an 18 stone recovering alcoholic with mental health problems who just wants to do a sub 13 to finish a flat 50 miler, she is probably a lot more helpful. Not sure an English Athletics badge will be a great deal of use whereas organising group sessions to help build confidence and resilience is better than an email with Monday: 3-4 x 2 mile repeats @ 10k-HM pace Tuesday…


That's not running coaching, that's life coaching. The award at the NRS was for 'running' coach of year.

And I've since seen her quoted elsewhere when she got a coach ahead of the Spine that she needed a coach because she hadn't got a clue about running.

Tbh I'd question whether she's really qualified to coach anything to anybody? Just because you're screwed up doesn't make you a good person to sort out other people. At the best you have an experiment of one to base your theories on (ditto running coaches with no qualifications or real knowledge except what worked for them).

She comes across as someone for whom running and environmental concerns are just vehicles for her own self promotion, she isn't really that bothered or knowledgeable about either but they enable her self obsession and provide fashionable SM content. And sadly these days there are way too many individuals like that in running. One can only hope fashions change.
paulcook
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flyingfinn wrote:Tbh I'd question whether she's really qualified to coach anything to anybody? Just because you're screwed up doesn't make you a good person to sort out other people.


I went down a rabbit hole this morning on your website from your earlier post, and someone else's.

I’m not a qualified life coach or a personal trainer with loads of certificates and a penchant for protein shakes or any of that stuff. I am a person who goes out and takes on some pretty amazing adventures and then explains to other people how they can go and do the same thing.

Modern training plans and advice for ultra and beyond are usually utter bollocks because they don’t take into account who YOU are, where you’re at mentally, your experience, your fears, the time you have and the reasons you want to run over marathon distance. I do.


Quite a lot similar.

Depends what you want out of a coach, because I certainly agree to some point about a coach being personable rather than JUST a bunch of numbers and workouts.

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