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Tour De France 2010

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paul the builder Oct 2010 12:40pm, 1 Oct 2010 2,064 posts	Quote Pin paul the builder Lovers, then?
paul the builder Oct 2010 12:43pm, 1 Oct 2010 2,065 posts	Quote Pin paul the builder So, the defence case is food contamination. And also the fact that if anyone was going to use PEDs, why would they use that drug, and why in that small a quantity. And the prosecution case is, if it's in the body, it's your responsibility. And, maybe you didn't take the Clenbuterol on the date in question, in a miniscule amount, but instead blood-doped that day, with some of your own blood from earlier in the season which did have a big pile of Clenbuterol in it. So it's an accidental catch here, the real crime is the blood doping.
Chrisull Oct 2010 12:46pm, 1 Oct 2010 2,752 posts	Quote Pin Chrisull So it's looking like he might actually be innocent in this case, I'm guessing. Or... there were residual amounts from an earlier doping and he wasn't expected to be tested down to this "micro" level? Is that also possible? Not that I'd always have to think the worst of anybody.
Velociraptor Oct 2010 12:48pm, 1 Oct 2010 13,044 posts	Quote Pin Velociraptor Interesting idea, PtB. In a disappointing sort of way
Chrisull Oct 2010 12:58pm, 1 Oct 2010 2,753 posts	Quote Pin Chrisull Ah here's the torpedo that if true blows Contador's alibi out of the water. Other markers in his blood test imply the presence of blood doping. Clenbuturol is banned in meat in all European countries too. road.cc
hammerite Oct 2010 1:13pm, 1 Oct 2010 11,901 posts	Quote Pin hammerite Chris, to pick up on your post from earlier. There were others in the team that ate "the meat" none of them failed though as they weren't tested. Vino was the other one tested, he didn't eat the meat. If they'd all been tested that ate the meat, and they all failed it could back up Contador's case. But it could also show that the whole team doped, depending on which way you looked at it. It's not looking good for Contador regardless. As for Schelck's tweet. He's not the only pro to come out in favour of Contador. I think they're all a little scared, those that aren't doping will be scared that they may do something innocently, or unintentionally, a tiny amount of that is found and then bang it's all over for them. Either reputationally (if they are cleared there'll alway be a suspicion), or they may pay with a ban. Whilst the meat thing does now look unlikely similar things could happen with other drugs - look at Alain Baxter (skier) a couple of years and his Vicks Sinex.
paul the builder Oct 2010 1:20pm, 1 Oct 2010 2,068 posts	Quote Pin paul the builder Vrap - not my own idea, plenty of other suspicious folk out there are theorising that. Latest Sports Scientists post is on the subject: sportsscientists.com
hammerite Oct 2010 1:34pm, 1 Oct 2010 11,903 posts	Quote Pin hammerite cyclingnews.com Perhaps I'm just naive/always see the best, but I was starting to think the top guys would be clean as it's too difficult to get away with anything now, and they're tested all the time.
Hohum Oct 2010 1:48pm, 1 Oct 2010 1,455 posts	Quote Pin Hohum Cycling is massively tested but they talk about it too readily to the press before anything is proved or not, giving the impression that cycling is a 'dirty' sport, but almost all sports do it to a greater or lesser degree, it's just their governning bodies don't talk about it to the press. Skiers and runners are often caught but there doesn't seem to be the hoo ha, as in cycling. But watching those mountain stages, it was amazing how fast they were going up hill and almost constantly attacking. When Rasmusen pulled out of the tour due to doping allegations who was with him in the mountains?
hammerite Oct 2010 2:03pm, 1 Oct 2010 11,906 posts	Quote Pin hammerite The problem with using that as an argument = Rasmussen never tested positive, he'd just lied as to where he said he'd been (the other side of the world!), the suspicions and allegations led to him pulling out. He was banned on a technicality a bit like Rio Ferdinand or Christine Ohuro(whatever her name is). Like you say cycling has no more a drugs problem than most sports, it's just drug taking has been going on for a long time, and the sport are trying to do something about it. I think cycling is the only sport that has a blood value passport, most other sports have blatantly refused to take it on.