The vaporfly thread
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Jun 2024
8:56am, 2 Jun 2024
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SPR
Interesting research on superspikes Vs supershoes. instagram.com Seems to suggest a different type of supershoe (like what the Streakfly 2 looks like) would work. |
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Jun 2024
5:52pm, 3 Jun 2024
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SPR
One for training and possibly Larkim as a race shoe but the Adios 9 is going full lightstrike pro rather than forefoot only. instagram.com Could interest me as a training shoe depending on the dimensions. |
Jun 2024
7:36pm, 13 Jun 2024
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J2R
OK, simple question... What are the fastest shoes for a road mile race? Is this a short enough distance that the supershoes don't come into their own and some very lightweight 'racing flats' (or the nearest thing you can get to them these days) would do a better job? This is the kind of thing a lot of reviews of the supershoes were suggesting a couple of years back, that they're great for 10K and upwards, not so much for shorter stuff. I do get the feeling myself, though, from recent experience, that they come into their own even in sprint distances for me.
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Jun 2024
9:01pm, 13 Jun 2024
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jda
I would expect that a mile is qualitatively similar to a 10k and perhaps even marathon in terms of the biomechanics of running such that the same equipment will work in all. Proper sprinting I wouldn’t be surprised to see differences.
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Jun 2024
9:04pm, 13 Jun 2024
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SPR
If they work for you then there's no reason to question it. Clearly someone like me would just run in my Reebok Floatride RunFast Pro but I'm pretty sure elite athletes will be running in a supershoe of some sort especially as no brands are making traditional racing flats currently. Go watch the NYC mile. I know NB have a mile specific shoe and I imagine the Streakfly 2 may end up as the shoe of choice when released. |
Jun 2024
1:11pm, 14 Jun 2024
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Charlesvdw
I had the OG Alphafly and sold them after 100 miles because they were too chunky. But reading the reviews of the Alphafly 3 I am tempted to try them. Seems like they got lighter and less plump. Anyone who has tried them ? |
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Jun 2024
1:42pm, 14 Jun 2024
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J2R
SPR, I've not done enough proper testing yet to know whether they work for me over short distances - at the moment it's just a hunch. I suppose my question was really about whether what was talked about 4-5 years ago about the supershoes is still what they're saying now. Back then, the suggestion, as I recall it, was that they improved people's performance for distances like the marathon primarily because they reduced the amount of damage, micro-tears, occurring in the muscles over the course of the distance, meaning that you were able to sustain a given performance level for longer without fading. This is not really so much of a factor in 10K distance, I would say, and certainly not for shorter distances. So I remember seeing reviews saying the shoes would be great for maybe 10K or HM distance upwards, but stick with the racing flats for the shorter distances. So I am wondering, if the shoes are now advocated even for short stuff as seems to be the case, if the thinking has moved on rather to concentrate more on energy return rather than minimising muscle damage? In which case, there's probably no place now for racing flats, which is presumably why the companies have stopped making them. |
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Jun 2024
2:37pm, 14 Jun 2024
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SPR
The science said they improve running economy even back then that's where the 4% comes from and that was based on energy return. Over marathon the other factors would assist even if the running economy effect didn't materialise. Studies at faster than running economy pace are hard to produce (Labrat probably has a full explanation for this somewhere but it's essentially about the anaerobic contribution at faster paces) so you may not see science say definitively they are better for a mile but I think for most they likely are I think there's an argument for a different type of supershoe though. The IG post in my post at the top of this page shows some people were more efficient in superspikes Vs supershoes and vice versa so I think there may be more to this when there are more options. |
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Jun 2024
11:09pm, 25 Jun 2024
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SPR
I got hold of the discontinued Victory Waffle 5 for track training which is a lot lighter than the Rival version and used them for the first time. I definitely noticed that it wasn't as cushioned as the Reeboks and almost feels like a barefoot shoe (RunRepeat says it needs breaking in so this may change). I started thinking about how it definitely makes things more work and then I remembered this study that I posted previously and it's one that was used in the pilot study here for intervals and tempo work: outsideonline.com I also got some Streakfly cheap which I will use when I do things like 3 x 3000 I think. |
Jun 2024
11:37am, 27 Jun 2024
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Hills of Death (HOD)
What’s your opinion of Streakfly SPR
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