The vaporfly thread
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Jul 2021
11:32am, 30 Jul 2021
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J2R
Yes, makes sense.
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Aug 2021
10:51am, 3 Aug 2021
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fuzzyduck79
Warholm after *that* race: twitter.com Warholm not a a fan of sprint spikes containing air pods or lots of foam - Puma worked with Mercedes and he and his coach to develop the carbon plate in his. "If you put a trampoline there I think it's bullshit, and I think it takes credibility away from our sport." "I have a great shoe. It was important to make a shoe that gives credibility to the results. I don't see why you should put anything beneath a sprinting shoe. In middle-distance I understand because you want cushioning." Says he hates Nike's sprint spike design. |
Aug 2021
9:35am, 4 Aug 2021
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AJLB
I wonder if he's also opposed to the "trampoline"-like track - the track designer describes it as such: theguardian.com
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Aug 2021
9:47am, 4 Aug 2021
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SPR
Surface has never been an issue IMO. Everyone is on the same surface and if in fact we that decided never to use that surface again after the Olympics, it would be pretty simple to implement. Shoes on the other hand? Well we've seen the mess created and then having advantages potentially locked in by patents is just wrong IMO.
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Aug 2021
10:10am, 4 Aug 2021
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ITG 🇮🇸
[just raised that on the Olympics thread, AJLB]
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Aug 2021
10:16am, 4 Aug 2021
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SPR
Surely the answer is obvious though. Track is an artificial surface we try optimise for fast running, and in theory road lets us know how much track is worth. Don't think it can compare with individual shoes where patents can be used to potentially lock in benefits. This TBH was the opinion of pretty much all shoe companies other than Nike.
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Aug 2021
10:38am, 4 Aug 2021
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fuzzyduck79
Very hard to calibrate track vs road now we have different standards for what shoes are allowed on each. Wonder if the designer of this track could have made it 4% quicker but the powers that be knew that would be going too far. We're seeing world records fall by more than 1.5% where the field is strong. Maybe the surface will get sped up by 1-2% percent each year to keep the WRs coming. Looked up Keely Hogkinson's times last night - coming into 2021 she hadn't run below 2:01 and was 5th in the UK last year. Now she's changed to super spikes and run on this track she's broken the British record, taken 6 seconds off her PB. You might think she won silver, so that's a fair benchmark against the rest of the world - she's just got really good. She might have improved physiologically by a huge margin but I strongly suspect she's a super responder to the shoes. Eight months to jump that far up the all time British rankings, even at an early stage in her career, is just bonkers. Not even listed as a potential athlete to receive funding on powerof10 front page, and it's a fairly long list. |
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Aug 2021
10:55am, 4 Aug 2021
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ITG 🇮🇸
I would have thought athletes respond as differently to track as they do to shoes. There have always been innovations that help some athletes more than others. The "problem" with the latest shoe tech is that it is such a big improvement in such a short space of time and that the governing bodies have waved it all through.
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Aug 2021
11:34am, 4 Aug 2021
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SPR
I'm not convinced about the responding differently to track vs shoes. I think a surface you run on is going to have less of an individual effect than a shoe that's on your feet.
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Aug 2021
11:39am, 4 Aug 2021
419 posts
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fuzzyduck79
That's my hunch too (would wide range of responses to new surface among decent sample of athletes) but it's not like we have data to prove it, and nobody within the sport wants that made public. As long as not too many fans wise up to tech effect, the show will go on and people will lap up WRs, sub2 marathons - not understanding (or perhaps preferring not to accept?) that we can still produce much faster times if we want to see them. We just can't control who the biggest winners from all this are, so it's a bit of a lottery for the athletes in that respect. |
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