The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread
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Aug 2017
1:03pm, 31 Aug 2017
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Bazoaxe
CW, nice one. I did my tempo this morning and it ended up being 10.5 with 7 at LT effort but I struggled if I am honest and I thought about cutting it short or taking breaks. Still a good hard run, but was in the low 6:40s, albeit the HR wasn't as high as it could/should have been. I am wondering if I need to re-check my max HR On the TMI discussion, it doesn't happen to me often either, but it has done and sometimes you have to improvise ! |
Aug 2017
1:17pm, 31 Aug 2017
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larkim
tbh 7m at somewhere between 10m (well, 15k according to the book) and HM race pace should be a struggle. With CW and Baz nailing their sessions (even if there's been some creativity going on), the pressure is on for me to deliver on Friday night now!
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Aug 2017
1:34pm, 31 Aug 2017
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Windsor Wool
Oh, nailed my session last night too Lark! Different one (long progressive) but pleased to get it done after the worries of the weekend. In fact, today I have a sniffle which is somewhat reassuring. Good running that Baz. Nothing to be concerned about there, 7 is not an easy LT to pull off. G - the number of piss-stops I require on a long run annoys me. For me it's because I get up, cram fluids in and then straight out of the door. On a race day I would always stop drinking 1 hour before the race which gives time to get through he system. |
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Aug 2017
1:52pm, 31 Aug 2017
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larkim
Ah yes, saw your near perfect increasing paced miles WW. Impressive stuff, especially to be sensitive enough to bring the paces down just a few seconds at a time. It always amazes me how accurate humans can sometimes be at these things - running 7m20 mile vs a 7m10 mile means instead of covering 3m66cm per second you've covering 3m74cm per second - a trivially small difference, yet the better a runner you get, the more accurately you can tune that pace change so that in 430s you are 1 mile away, rather than in 440s. I don't tend to get caught short as I tend to avoid drinking for about an hour before runs too, mainly from a stitch point of view, though early morning runs I can fall foul of that one. |
Aug 2017
2:24pm, 31 Aug 2017
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Oscar the grouch
One of the benefits of living in a rural area is that there tend to be opportunities to step 'off road' to alleviate the bladder, which I agree on non-race long runs is due to 2 pints of water plus a coffee in the hour pre-run and not having any desire to be up earlier than 5.15am for a 6.30am run. As far as Tesco goes, apparently, Every Little Helps 
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Aug 2017
2:33pm, 31 Aug 2017
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HappyG(rrr)
Oscar - me too. Though when I have occasionally done an urban run (or even canal or trail at a time when there are commuters or more dog walkers) I've been caught out that I couldn't just stop whenever I wanted to. Oh the inconvenience! But doesn't usually affect me in races. Even though I still hydrate right up to start, including caffeinated drinks. Maybe I've just been lucky enough to have my last pit stop close enough to start time. G
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Aug 2017
3:02pm, 31 Aug 2017
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Oscar the grouch
I suspect it is because you are concentrating hard on something else which on a normal day of running you are not. The brain is very good at prioritising need to the extent that when one does remember it is often a pressing need!
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Aug 2017
3:16pm, 31 Aug 2017
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Oscar the grouch
A quick check of my best Age-Graded times (in your Race Portfolio https://www.fetcheveryone.com/wava.php; new addition it seems) reveals that my best ever marathon performance is 41st on my all time list of race performances from a total of 94 races. The list is dominated by 10k performance (13 of my top 16) despite the fact that I have done 20 10ks, 17 halfs and 17 full marathons of which a few would have been off road. So one might expect it to be more evenly spread but I suspect it means I don't have speed endurance!
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Aug 2017
3:18pm, 31 Aug 2017
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Oscar the grouch
fetcheveryone.com/wava.php Corrected link!
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Aug 2017
3:30pm, 31 Aug 2017
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larkim
My best WAVAs have been recent 5ks during the period I've upped my mileage, and beyond one 10m race (where I wasn't intent on going full bore) I've not raced anything else in the meanwhile, so hopefully I'll address the balance shortly. A PB in the 10k pre-marathon race would likely be at least a 72%, but if I hit my marathon best case target that'll only bring in a 68% score. Laughably, the "parity" score to equal my 74% for a 5k is a 3:00:23 marathon, a time I won't be getting near anytime unless I'm on a bike or in a car. |
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