The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread
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Nov 2006
1:56pm, 22 Nov 2006
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controversial
well in all my marathon training i always do a long run a week, ~22 to 23 miles ... for me is the only way to make sure i will not hit the wall
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Nov 2006
2:01pm, 22 Nov 2006
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B Rubble
Thats quite a lot if you compare it to the training schedules. I try to do a long run a week but only do 19-20 miles. The Mike Gratton stuff is at runnersworld.co.uk sorry can't do links. |
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Nov 2006
2:03pm, 22 Nov 2006
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B Rubble
But the link worked! Good luck anyone who is mad enough to attempt the MG stuff, I'm too old and knackered.
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Nov 2006
2:03pm, 22 Nov 2006
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Hi folks, in the absence of a Sub 3:00 thread (yet), and not wanting to take responsibility for starting such a thread myself, I might be lurking here sometimes. On the long run front: I generally aim for 5 runs of over 18 miles, of which 2 should be about 23 miles. I would feel nervous about HHs maximum of 20 miles, but it may be the fact that this is always the day after quite a hard session (I usually do my long runs after a couple of days rest) makes 20 miles effective enough. |
Nov 2006
2:07pm, 22 Nov 2006
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360°
HH recommends a step back week every 3rd week, which I like doing. Gives you well needed rest. Do you not think that a long run every week, whether 20 miles or 23 miles is too much? The MG plans have too many doubles and too many miles for me. I could just about get away with 50 - 60 mpw. I've no chance of fitting in 80, even if I wanted to. Life an' all. |
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Nov 2006
2:08pm, 22 Nov 2006
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controversial
Thanks BR, i seem to have more detail on mine but i guess it doesn't really matter, as far as my knowledge goes, it seems that the important thing is to build up a lot of miles for your training and long runs are the crucial thing, for me only 20 miles is not enough, then everybody is different. One of my problems is that by my 10K times i should be able to do marathons a lot faster but i don't seem to be able to maintain a faster rhythm ... is like i have got 2 gears: fast and slow and nothing int he middle! |
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Nov 2006
2:13pm, 22 Nov 2006
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Controversial: having just looked at your pictures, is the issue that you've been wearing a Camelbak for marathons, but not for 10ks?! |
Nov 2006
2:13pm, 22 Nov 2006
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KinkyS
I've read that your 5 longest runs should equal at least 100, so that could be 5x20, or 18 3x20 22 (which is what I've done the last two years) or more. I wouldn't be happy with stopping at 20 miles as per HH. If you use the time on your feet approach, then you need to do at least one run of about 3:15 to prepare for a 3:15 race. Being very conservative about pace, 90 seconds per mile slower than MP is about 9 minutes per mile or just under. 22 miles is therefore 3:18, so even if you do your LSRs at the very slowest pace you'd still need a 22 in there, and if you want to do 60s or even 45s slower than MP for your long runs then you need an even longer run to make the time. That was a bit of a stream of consciousness there but do you see what I mean? I don't think doing a long run every single week is a great plan, you need a drop back week every so often. I also think it's beneficial to do a couple of shorter races like a HM in the buildup, instead of just going long every weekend. |
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Nov 2006
2:18pm, 22 Nov 2006
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B Rubble
I agree Katie. There should be room in every schedule for a bit of rest and a bit of fun (racing).
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Nov 2006
2:22pm, 22 Nov 2006
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controversial
well i am happy to get anyones advice, as I think i have got the maximum out of the way i train now, so i need to train "better", the good things of 1 long run a week, is that it puts you in a routine where you don't have the choice to slack and say i'll do it next week! And above all you really feel confident when doing the race. My plan for next year was to try to increase my milage up to at least 60 a week ... if you don't achieve it at the first time ... try harder! For the camel back, it is true, but the problem is that i need to carry my own drinks and food during marathons, i have done a marathon that by the time i was arriving at the drinking stations they had run out of energy drink ... and another where they gave water in plastic cups, so impossible to drink and run! |
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