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The Dishwasher Club

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Jun 2019
5:05pm, 11 Jun 2019
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Lip Gloss
My dishwasher is a zanussi. Rarely use anything other than the 65 degree fast wash. Eco takes forever so don't know what is eco about it as using far more electricity. We have soft water here but still use 3 in 1 tabs, rinse aid and salt. My OH inherited a dishwasher with the house which looked like it was never used but I didn't like it or know how to put in the rinse aid so we ditched it.
Jun 2019
5:07pm, 11 Jun 2019
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fetcheveryone
All washing devices should just have one button on them, labelled "3". Because in my experience, it's always programme 3. It annoys me that our dishwasher and tumble drier both have "on/off" AND "start" buttons. I don't switch either of them on for any other reason than for them to do something. And it's always programme 3.
Jun 2019
5:23pm, 11 Jun 2019
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icemaiden
Fascinating stuff. In another life I was part of the team advising the UK govt and EU energy efficiency program about consumer use of DWs and have spent more than than I care to think about loading and unloading for test purposes.

The eco program takes ages but will use less energy than the standard program because it does not heat to such a high temperature. There's a triangle of time vs temperature vs cleanliness. To get the required level of cleaning, it is regulated via the eco design regulations, the time has to be long because the energy consumption has to be below a certain level, also regulated.

Please clean the filters. And clean inside at the bottom of the door, you will be surprised at the gunk that gets down there.

Cutlery is best mixed to make sure most of them get clean

Scrape off the lumps of food. Don't prewash or soak unless burnt on stuff.

Salt is necessary in hard water areas, but use the lowest salt setting if using with tablets.

Testing really has shown that the majority of people use more water and energy to hand wash the same load. So fill your machine as best you can.

Two dishwashers are definitely the way forward.

Slimline and tabletop dishwashers aren't as efficient as full size and best avoided.
Jun 2019
5:30pm, 11 Jun 2019
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McGoohan
And there was me saying I was the expert ;-)

That’s very useful, ta
Jun 2019
5:41pm, 11 Jun 2019
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Pikelet
16 pages in and I've only just noticed this thread!

Others in this house do not treat my dishwasher with respect. Cups on the bottom shelf is the biggest annoyance for me.
Jun 2019
5:43pm, 11 Jun 2019
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Velociraptor
Cups on the bottom shelf was fairly standard for us because we hardly used any plates and the top shelf got filled up with bowls.
Jun 2019
5:44pm, 11 Jun 2019
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icemaiden
Knives up or down is personal preference, but there have been some nasty accidents when, usually small, people tripped/fell into the cutlery basket when the door was open and the lower basket pulled out and knives were blade up. Many baskets can be positioned in different places so you could try another place.

Cutlery trays work for some people, but others can't be arsed with the faff of doing it properly.

Many upper baskets can be adjusted upwards to allow for big plates in the lower basket, but some people don't bother to find out how they work. If you put large glasses in the top basket then you might need to lower the basket, some can even accommodate both large plate and long stem glasses.

Price difference is mostly to do with build quality. Cheaper models have plastic bases rather than metal and the baskets have fewer adjustable features. Although entry level Miele have very fixed baskets.

Number of place settings is based on standard tableware, and may not be the same as your set, always good to take plates along if in any doubt.
Jun 2019
5:46pm, 11 Jun 2019
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The Mighty Fleecy
I love that we have a dishwashing expert on here! Especially one who tells me not to rinse my stuff first. Though cereal/porridge bowls always need rinsing or soaking a bit first in my experience. Weetabix is like glue once it’s hard!!
Jun 2019
5:50pm, 11 Jun 2019
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McGoohan
It’s weetabix they used in the construction of the Empire State Building instead of mortar. Fact.
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5:51pm, 11 Jun 2019
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The Mighty Fleecy
Lol

About This Thread

Maintained by McGoohan
Do you trust anyone else in your house to load the dishwasher other than yourself? Of course you don't!

Perhaps there's a tetrathlon we could do: swim-bike-run-fill dishwasher?
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Some advice from icemaiden who has actual expertise in this area:

In another life I was part of the team advising the UK govt and EU energy efficiency program about consumer use of DWs and have spent more than than I care to think about loading and unloading for test purposes.

The eco program takes ages but will use less energy than the standard program because it does not heat to such a high temperature. There's a triangle of time vs temperature vs cleanliness. To get the required level of cleaning, it is regulated via the eco design regulations, the time has to be long because the energy consumption has to be below a certain level, also regulated.

Please clean the filters. And clean inside at the bottom of the door, you will be surprised at the gunk that gets down there.

Cutlery is best mixed to make sure most of them get clean

Scrape off the lumps of food. Don't prewash or soak unless burnt on stuff.

Salt is necessary in hard water areas, but use the lowest salt setting if using with tablets.

Testing really has shown that the majority of people use more water and energy to hand wash the same load. So fill your machine as best you can.

Two dishwashers are definitely the way forward.

Slimline and tabletop dishwashers aren't as efficient as full size and best avoided.

Knives up or down is personal preference, but there have been some nasty accidents when, usually small, people tripped/fell into the cutlery basket when the door was open and the lower basket pulled out and knives were blade up. Many baskets can be positioned in different places so you could try another place.

Cutlery trays work for some people, but others can't be arsed with the faff of doing it properly.

Many upper baskets can be adjusted upwards to allow for big plates in the lower basket, but some people don't bother to find out how they work. If you put large glasses in the top basket then you might need to lower the basket, some can even accommodate both large plate and long stem glasses.

Price difference is mostly to do with build quality. Cheaper models have plastic bases rather than metal and the baskets have fewer adjustable features. Although entry level Miele have very fixed baskets.

Number of place settings is based on standard tableware, and may not be the same as your set, always good to take plates along if in any doubt.

Eat your Weetabix and scrape out the leftovers.

Porridge is one of the test soils because it is so difficult. The others are tea, dried milk, egg, spinach, mince and margarine. The test detergent is not the same as the ones in the shops, but all machines have to reach a certain, high, level of cleaning and drying on the eco program. And there's not a lot of difference in performance these days, you're paying for convenience and longevity.
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