So who won the tour from 1999 to 2005

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Oranj 7 Feb 9:15pm, 7 Feb 2024 4,076 posts	0 Oranj This has aged well twitter.com
Nelly 9 Feb 4:11pm, 9 Feb 2024 4,401 posts	0 Nelly I've just read this bbc.co.uk article about an Australian swimmer who has announced he will "juice to the gills" to swim quicker than the men's 50m freestyle world record at The Enhanced Games (I deliberately avoided saying break the WR). This was the first I had heard of The Enhanced Games, which Wiki describes as "a planned international sports event where the athletes [track and field, swimming, weightlifting, gymnastics and combat sports] will not be subject to drug testing" planned for December 2024, but my first impression is that it sounds like a potential last big pay day for retiring athletes and/or convicted doppers, because clearly there should be no route back to any type of "normal" sport at any time for anyone who competes in these championships.
larkim 9 Feb 4:15pm, 9 Feb 2024 23,209 posts	0 larkim That's the event that someone was claiming they'd run something like 9.3s in the 100m wasn't it? All done without naming names of individuals. Looked a bit like marketing hype to me.
larkim 9 Feb 4:15pm, 9 Feb 2024 23,210 posts	0 larkim But interesting that he's put his name out there.
Nellers 9 Feb 4:24pm, 9 Feb 2024 42,150 posts	0 Nellers The Science of Sport pod did a piece on the enhanced games this week (recorded prior to Magnussen saying he's going to compete). Their view is that it's dangerous for the athletes and terminal for the career of anyone who does compete, but also that there are some big logistical barriers to the event actually taking place. For it to happen there has to be a legal source for the doping products, so there have to be doctors willing to provide it to people but not for therapeutic use, which is an ethical issue for a practicing doctor and could result in sanction against them from their licencing body. Otherwise they've got to obtain the doping products through the black market, in which case everyone participating is admitting to criminal activity themselves (either by taking it or conspiring with others to provide it/ encouraging and abetting people in taking it). They don't see it actually taking place and suspect it's a publicity stunt by BioTech companies looking to promote their own products..
paulcook 9 Feb 4:25pm, 9 Feb 2024 4,264 posts	0 paulcook said Magnussen, who will be paid $1m (£792,000). Who said cheats never win?!
larkim 9 Feb 4:39pm, 9 Feb 2024 23,211 posts	0 larkim I've not entirely thought this through, but my gut reaction if a retired sportsperson could break a WR via doping it would perversely reinforce my starting position that most athletes are clean. Obvs there might be a big difference between the sort of "professional" doping that may happen vs being "juiced to the gills" so a hypothetical "enhanced games" participant would get a bigger boost than someone trying to hide it, but for the doping to be so effective to turn the very definition of an "also-ran" into someone who could smash through a world record it would have to be pretty alarmingly successful. Maybe that's practical, tbh, and I'm underselling the effectiveness of doping?
SPR 9 Feb 6:49pm, 9 Feb 2024 43,605 posts	0 SPR I've said before that people forget that doping was initially banned for athletes safety. A WR doped to the gills doesn't necessarily prove other athletes are clean though as even if they doped, they can't dope to a level that would be detected.
Derby Tup 29 Feb 12:32pm, 29 Feb 2024 64,678 posts	0 Derby Tup Pogba banned for four years for high testosterone. Dodgy steak Paul?
stuart little 29 Feb 12:50pm, 29 Feb 2024 2,522 posts	0 stuart little Tip of the iceberg DT...