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richmac Oct 2023 2:40pm, 24 Oct 2023 23,973 posts	0 richmac I suspect it's because successive governments & media have convinced people thick enough to believe it that anything other than the Tories is Lennin
Johnny Blaze Oct 2023 3:09pm, 24 Oct 2023 31,143 posts	0 Johnny Blaze If you think Suella Braverman is the answer to your question, you are asking the wrong question.
jda Oct 2023 3:19pm, 24 Oct 2023 15,694 posts	0 jda I think I’ve said it before, but I reckon they really do believe it’s for the good of the county. It’s just a shame they are utterly deluded about that.
paulcook Oct 2023 3:23pm, 24 Oct 2023 3,523 posts	0 paulcook I might be making this up but I'm sure I heard Andrew Bowie say "unlike Labour, we're doing it for the good of the country" on last Thursday night's election special. Without any irony.
macca 53 Oct 2023 4:00pm, 24 Oct 2023 31,817 posts	0 macca 53 I might be making this up but I'm sure I heard Andrew Bowie say "unlike Labour, we're doing it for the good of the country" on last Thursday night's election special. Without any irony. For the tories “the country” is them and their mates. Everything and everyone else is a disposable commodity….
macca 53 Oct 2023 4:01pm, 24 Oct 2023 31,818 posts	0 macca 53 ….oh and if they can dispose of it for money they will.
richmac Oct 2023 4:16pm, 24 Oct 2023 23,975 posts	0 richmac theguardian.com Just in time to make use of that camper van
Johnny Blaze Oct 2023 4:21pm, 24 Oct 2023 31,144 posts	0 Johnny Blaze Am I allowed to say I think it's a bit "odd" that someone has only passed their test at 53? Has she really spent all her years on buses or being driven around by her husband? Or has it been taxis and limos all the way? Whatever, it's not exactly screaming "in touch" to me. awaits incoming
richmac Oct 2023 4:37pm, 24 Oct 2023 23,976 posts	0 richmac Maybe she was really shit at it ?
Johnny Blaze Oct 2023 4:43pm, 24 Oct 2023 31,145 posts	0 Johnny Blaze Also a possibility. My sister has tried to learn on numerous occasions and given up several times. She still can't drive, which more or less traps her on her estate when her husband isn't available. Not a problem for Nicola I would think.

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