Nov 2022
3:17pm, 20 Nov 2022
13,815 posts
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jda
If the tories really did promise a switzerland solution I'd certainly consider voting for them (obvs it would depend on what other parties were promising). I don't believe for a minute that they will though, it's just word games and headline-grabbing. I'm old enough to remember millions of people voting Labour because they believed that they would inject some sanity into the brexit debate. Instead they got told that "80% of the population voted for pro-brexit parties" and Labour whipped for and voted for this terrible deal, despite it being manifestly clear to anyone with a brain cell and a willingness to use it, that it was truly awful. Labour have betrayed the country just as surely as the Tories did. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I'll vote for a manifesto that presents a plausible solution to the situation we are in. Any vote for labour will be interpreted as a vote against the single market, against freedom of movement. I won't vote for that. If you don't like it, tough. (well I suppose if *no* party suggests anything close, I might consider labour as the least-worst. But they'd have to outflank the libdems and greens, which seems unlikely.) |
Nov 2022
3:18pm, 20 Nov 2022
7,554 posts
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Fields
This back Starmer 100% to the hilt clearly is the new “not the right time to be protesting against monarchy” after the Queen died It’s just a snide liberal way to stamp out dissent |
Nov 2022
4:23pm, 20 Nov 2022
28,941 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I’m old enough to remember Starmer addressing the People’s Vote march in Parliament Square - together with John McDonnell and Diane Abbott. I was there. There’s a broad coalition and an overwhelming majority in the Labour Party for a better Brexit. It will happen if they are given the majority and the time. |
Nov 2022
4:23pm, 20 Nov 2022
18,810 posts
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rf_fozzy
Purity test failed obviously. These people are thick. twitter.com |
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Nov 2022
4:58pm, 20 Nov 2022
13,817 posts
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jda
All the Tories want a "better brexit" too. So does UKIP, the DUP, and the Monster Raving Loony party. No-one would ever say "nah, I'd like a worse brexit", would they? The problem is that they cannot explain what this better brexit will be, and how it will be negotiated. 52% voted for a "better" alternative to EU membership in 2016, only they didn't know what better meant, and couldn't get there. Honestly it's an infantile attempt at policy-making. "We'll be better than them". How, precisely? |
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Nov 2022
5:09pm, 20 Nov 2022
28,942 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I’ll hazard a guess that the Kipper’s version of a better Brexit and that favoured by Labour or the Tories will be quite different, but I can see the lust for purity and electorally suicidal choices is strong on here so I shall leave you to it. If you are in a Lab/Tory marginal next time and you vote Lib Dem you know what might happen, what you are contributing towards. Life’s about compromises and pragmatism sometimes.
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Nov 2022
5:14pm, 20 Nov 2022
7,555 posts
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Fields
Ah; the old people who disagree with me are thick trope again, it’s been a while.
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Nov 2022
5:39pm, 20 Nov 2022
18,811 posts
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rf_fozzy
Ha. Spot on from Michael Dougan: "If I hear once more "But, but, this isn't the Brexit I voted for". Like listening to some unqualified drunken sleep-deprived driver who thought they'd win a road safety award rather than cause a major motorway pileup..." twitter.com |
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Nov 2022
5:49pm, 20 Nov 2022
18,812 posts
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rf_fozzy
Lord High Priest of being wrong and stupid: twitter.com It's gibberish. His claims that "young people want lower taxes" is incorrect too. There is widespread support for *higher taxes* He's obviously not seen data I posted the other day about noone under 50 voting Tory. Typical thick Brexiter 'thinking' |
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Nov 2022
5:57pm, 20 Nov 2022
18,813 posts
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rf_fozzy
He's also obviously not aware that his party's MPs is about to pass laws enshrining NIMBYism and ensuring no affordable housing (or indeed much of any housing) is built in the UK. See: twitter.com Wonder why, no-one under 50 wants to vote for a party that has systematically destroyed their future and opportunities. Not least with Brexit. As I've seen someone put it, they are turning the party (or have turned the party) into the party of the wealthy elderly homeowners (homeowners meaning those *without* a mortgage). |
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