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Nov 2022
9:56am, 20 Nov 2022
19,731 posts
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Chrisull
Elected second chamber, well holy crap an excellent policy and one that sends a message that perhaps Labour has some more radical proposals to offer us. Liking it.
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Nov 2022
10:09am, 20 Nov 2022
38,949 posts
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SPR
If the Lords is elected, do we just end up in a situation where everything the government want is rubber-stamped, or if the government balance is different to the Lords, things get blocked?
What is the role of the house of Lords? Is it better to abolish than to elect to it?
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Nov 2022
10:22am, 20 Nov 2022
7,546 posts
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Fields
What SPR said. It sounds good in the surface and is probably a much needed but of constitutional architecture but does it inspire you to vote for Labour?
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Nov 2022
11:25am, 20 Nov 2022
28,938 posts
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Johnny Blaze
The House of Lords cannot block finance bills or manifesto-based legislation. It can only delay bills for a year in any case.
As far as I can recall. Shouldn't change.
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Nov 2022
11:29am, 20 Nov 2022
28,939 posts
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Johnny Blaze
The House of Lords debates legislation, and has power to amend or reject bills. However, the power of the Lords to reject a bill passed by the House of Commons is severely restricted by the Parliament Acts. Under those Acts, certain types of bills may be presented for Royal Assent without the consent of the House of Lords (i.e. the Commons can override the Lords' veto). The House of Lords cannot delay a money bill (a bill that, in the view of the Speaker of the House of Commons, solely concerns national taxation or public funds) for more than one month.
Other public bills cannot be delayed by the House of Lords for more than two parliamentary sessions, or one calendar year. These provisions, however, only apply to public bills that originate in the House of Commons, and cannot have the effect of extending a parliamentary term beyond five years. A further restriction is a constitutional convention known as the Salisbury Convention, which means that the House of Lords does not oppose legislation promised in the Government's election manifesto.
It is a democratic monstrosity in its current form in any case. It needs to be swept away root and branch.
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Nov 2022
11:55am, 20 Nov 2022
38,950 posts
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SPR
Yeah, it's not a senate type upper house. I don't really have a problem with being essentially a house of experts in different fields that can query legislation. Obviously the current system is prone to party politics and the hereditary system is terrible. I'm not sure you'd end up with field experts if it was elected so it feels like it should just be abolished to me.
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Nov 2022
12:33pm, 20 Nov 2022
13,810 posts
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jda
The Switzerland thing is just bollocks, they are pretending they can have three freedoms of SM without freedom of movement, it’s soundbites and catchphrases for the tories and their tame press which bears no relationship to reality or the EU.
Surely we’ve learnt that much over the last 6 years?
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Nov 2022
12:35pm, 20 Nov 2022
13,811 posts
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jda
And before you get all misty eyed about Starmer starting to make sense, remember he’s repeatedly and conclusively rules out freedom of movement under his leadership. If you want the Labour Party to change that, you need to change the leader.
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Nov 2022
1:13pm, 20 Nov 2022
7,549 posts
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Fields
Switzerland arrangement do wonders for our chocolate making and Nazi gold industries I suppose
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Nov 2022
1:23pm, 20 Nov 2022
2,559 posts
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Canute
I am not misty eyed about Starmer’s short-comings with regard to Brexit. I wish that freedom of movement could be re-introduced. However this will be challenging, and I do not think it is the most important issue for the next few years.
For me the big issues are the ‘cost of living’; funding of services such as NHS, social care and education, and climate change. I believe that an aspect of dealing with climate change involves green technology. Green technology might also be a vehicle for the growth needed to fund services.
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