Aug 2019
10:01am, 28 Aug 2019
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DeeGee
But I've been employing that line since June 6, 1975. Why doesn't it work any more?
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Aug 2019
10:03am, 28 Aug 2019
18,802 posts
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DeeGee
"It makes the Queens speech a confidence vote, Corbyn need not attempt to call one. And if they win that, well then it will be because the likes of Grieve and Stewart despite their bleating are still Tories at heart. If the opposition cannot unite into a single block, then they need completely remaking into one that can after a general election." Thanks Chris, that's brought me back down. Don't worry, Stander, you'll get your Brexit, whatever happens, because at the end of the day, Tory MPs will do what Tory MPs always do. (It's how Maastricht got ratified, despite so many hating it.) *Steps away from the keyboard* |
Aug 2019
10:15am, 28 Aug 2019
15,049 posts
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Chrisull
Also the Queen has constitutional grounds for refusing to prorogue (I'm not holding my breath on this one): ukconstitutionallaw.org Part of me just thinks, let them get their way. Have the no deal because then after no deal they have to seek a deal. No deal is not an end point. And we know Johnson hates detail, hates the boring day to day. This is what will grind him down. No one trades on WTO terms in perpetuity. Well ok Afghanistan may.... Like we all want to be Afghanistan huh? (No offence to Afghans, before Russia invaded it was a thriving and very up and coming country, but since then Russia, the US, and the Taliban have laid waste to it). So a deal with the US involves: ratification via the House of Congress which is a huge Democrat majority and then Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi has already pledged to block any deal that threatens the Good Friday agreement. A deal with the EU: involves a) paying the divorce bill, b) concessions on the backstop, c) guarantee on EU citizen's rights. I suspect the EU might move *slightly* on b) if they think that a deal can be done, but a) and c) are non negotiable. This "no compromise" approach won't work here. And if we're in a situation where either we're suffering eye watering tariffs and onerous extra regulation OR we've exposed our own farmers and industries to ruinous competition, patience and time will be very short to sort it out. We will be the ones under pressure to sort it out, not them. The government seem to me to be living in a movie whether they've just removed a jacket to show they're wearing a suicide vest. I've yet to see a movie where that ends well for someone who does that.. |
Aug 2019
10:18am, 28 Aug 2019
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jda
Stander, you go on about remainers in parliament frustrating the will of the people, but it was specifically the Tory brexit headbangers in the ERG that voted against the withdrawal agreement three times. If it hadn't been for them, we would have already left and you'd have had your precious brexit. It would be shit, as everyone agrees, but you would have "won".
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Aug 2019
10:21am, 28 Aug 2019
18,803 posts
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DeeGee
Afghanistan is a member of the Economic Cooperation Organisation, seeking to implement a single market for goods and services in Central Asia between Turkey and the Subcontinent, and has signed a substantial trade deal in copper with China,and also has a Transit Trade agreement with Pakistan. Afghanistan wasn't a good example. Afghanistan doesn't do trade on WTO. |
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Aug 2019
10:24am, 28 Aug 2019
15,050 posts
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Chrisull
In Italy Matteo Salvini, whose Northern League are/were WAY ahead in the polls just tried to force a general election because it couldn't get its way with its coalition partner: theguardian.com Idea was fresh general elections, massive "democratic" mandate for his party to do what they like (such as banning "immigrants" shops from opening after 9pm in the evening). Let's see how that's going for him: telegraph.co.uk This is what happens when you welcome chaos in, it gets out of your control and delivers unexpected results. I have no idea what may happen next, nor will any of you. But Stander (and anyone) cheering the govt's moves. I say in all seriousness "be careful what you wish for". |
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Aug 2019
10:25am, 28 Aug 2019
15,051 posts
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Chrisull
OK DeeGee there is one country (and I mistakenly thought Afghanistan, I thought Somalia at first but doesn't seem to be them either) trades on WTO terms.
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Aug 2019
10:28am, 28 Aug 2019
3,515 posts
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run free
An NHS place have been working at has a No Deal Brexit contingency with the NHS real estates. Haven't been told exactly what it is for..... Am thinking Trump has already expressed interest in the NHS and if a No Deal Brexit happens, the real estate will be sold to Trump - who has talked about a trillion dollar deal.... With the currency down, the real estate is a bargain and Trump gets to "own" the NHS. Spoke to some leavers last night and they don't believe that will happen. I asked where else can we raise money for a No Deal situation...... |
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Aug 2019
10:30am, 28 Aug 2019
15,052 posts
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Chrisull
Seems it was Mauritania: medium.com |
Aug 2019
10:45am, 28 Aug 2019
4,113 posts
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1step2far
Runfree, I don't believe that either im afraid. (Although the NHS is selling off land and buildings at speed already and has been forva while). Most of the Brexit preperations I was involved in (and others I'm friends of through comissioning) was around ensuring supply and stocks- which is where real estate may or may not come in. Stock needs storing, most hospitals have very little in reserve 2-5 days. I learnt this 1st hand when working as a clinical site manager during beast from the east. A few examples: We limited linen changes to soiled only rather than daily. Tescos dropped food off after 1 day when our central supplier couldn't get through. We organised central distribution across the site to make sure we could just about cover essential disposables (for instance one ward will use more cathether spigs than others so we ran down the low use area to none and risked it- I have many many more examples). This was at a small (ish) hospital. Over a few difficult days. I dread to think what even small disruption to the supply chain would do. Hence serious time and public money spent brexit planning. |
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