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Polarized training

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Feb 2015
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Yes, it is possible that my immune system has been compromised by heavy training. If so this is disappointing as I had been trying to build up training volume fairly slowly in the Oct-Nov 2014 and had slowed the rate of increased volume in Dec, but maybe it was nonetheless too much. In addition, it was unfortunate that there has apparently been a high concentration of aggressive viruses in the air in the past two months – as has been confirmed by the unusually high death rate in among the infirm elderly recently. Maybe I should be pleased that I am merely a bit of an old crock rather than an invalid.
I am not obsessive about diet. I largely I follow a Mediterranean diet – with substantial amounts of fish, vegetables, nuts and olive oil. I consider that this diet has good health credentials.

FR,
The evidence indicates you are probably right. If necessary I will defer my marathon until September. I plan to run at most only one marathon a year, and have no wish to attempt it until I feel ready to acquit myself reasonably well. Training is summer will be better for my lungs.
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I just wanted to say also the thoughts of SPR and FR. Been following your progress and recent difficulties with much interest. Winters are long in these parts and April comes along all too soon after. It may well be that autumn is a better periodization slot for a marathon goal. Good luck in any case!
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In regards to brain, part of the issue is you want the brain to control pace to certain extent, as there's no point setting off at mile pace in a 10km. I think part of the issue in that race, is I consciously ignored feelings of too much effort earlier on as I wanted to start faster, so I think the brain bit back harder once it got control, until the conscious and subconscious had something they could agree on (My teammate shouldn't beat me). If I had allowed myself to start slower the issue wouldn't have occurred.
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SPR, Canute and ER, from personal experience, training in winter, particularly with the intervals the cold, dark conditions are not favourable. In the summer I will have access to a track, albeit grass (but that could be beneficial with respect to injury prevention), which will make it easier to perfom the intervals instead of running the streets and relying on the Garmin.
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X-post. Typed that earlier but forgot to submit.
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Because my target is summer, I don't suffer as much with winter as I only XC race during the winter.
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And SPR - could the principles of neuro plasticity be brought to bear on training? (although I understand it seems a slightly contentious field).

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SPR, I see all running as a balancing act between reward (running faster) and discomfort ('do I really not like this'). Many times when a sub-4 has become unachievable my pace has dropped, there was no reward. But conversely when the sub-4 is still on I have found pace that I thought was beyond me.

Note: some people are able to 'beast' themselves all the time, and dare I say ladies are better at sucking up the pain than men!!!
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It's not a case of sucking up pain though necessarily, if your brain tells you, you cannot continue and it makes it harder to run full stop, pain isn't the only trick it can use, forcing shorter strides, lower leg lift, being able to apply less force to the ground, I believe that the brain itself can also become "fatigued" when performing such repetitive actions. And in terms of sudden deaths in running it's more often men I believe, which has led people to speculate that more men can override their inbuilt governors perhaps?
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FR - I think you're right regarding reward. My initial target of beating a certain teammate had slipped away, and because a few others weren't racing, there wasn't any other BRATS nearby until the other guy appeared. But as Chris alluded to, I felt I was running as hard as I could at the time when I was running my slowest.

I haven't had a chance to read your article Chris, but Steve Magness has talked about using sessions where the athlete doesn't have the full session into, or is not in full control to train the mind to deal with the unknown. He posted some sessions recently which I'll link later.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com
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