Jan 2015
7:44pm, 11 Jan 2015
1,230 posts
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Canute
Glenn Thanks for your comment.
Yes, it is a tricky business to get it right when recuperating after illness. Unfortunately for the elderly, once you lose fitness it is a long road back to fitness. However, pushing too hard too early is likely to delay recovery even more. I am doing my best to determine how much I can cope with without signs of excess stress. But the golden rule is that it is better to under-train than to over-train.
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Jan 2015
4:24pm, 18 Jan 2015
1,236 posts
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Canute
Polarised training, limbo week 3: Earache and intermittent mild asthma continued throughout the week, and resting HR remained elevated by about 20% above normal, so I only did low intensity sessions on the elliptical. HR tended to fall slightly at constant power output during these sessions and returned rapidly to baseline during cool down so I do not think these sessions were generating appreciable stress. On Saturday I felt more energetic during the elliptical session and by Sunday resting HR had fallen almost back to normal, so I did a relaxed 92 min run. As anticipated my legs felt clunky, but despite the ground being frozen and air temperature only about 2 degrees above freezing, airways constriction was mild (25% reduction of peak flow). I hope that at last I have thrown off the worst of the lingering respiratory problems.
Low intensity : run, 92 min, 6:15, 78% HRmax: elliptical 345 min Threshold: 0 min High intensity 18 min (1x3min, 15x1 min) peak 92% HRmax Total 455 min, low intensity 96%, high intensity 4%
By continuing the low intensity elliptical sessions during the past few weeks, I appear to have minimised the loss of aerobic capacity (as indicated by HR during submaximal effort on elliptical on Saturday) but my legs have been de-conditioned.
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Jan 2015
6:57pm, 25 Jan 2015
1,254 posts
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Canute
Polarised training, Limbo week 4 Low Intensity running: 306 min, 49.3 Km, 6:12 min /Km,, aHR 79% HRmax Low Intensity elliptical 307 min;
High intensity 18 min, peak HR 91%
Total 631 minutes: Low intensity 97%, threshold 0%, high intensity 3%
I still have intermittent earache and constant deafness in one ear. Asthma is still a mild problem, but the inhaler keeps it reasonably well under control. So I am not yet quite recovered. However at a follow-up visit to the GP on Wednesday, the doctor saw no reason for me not to be running, so I have done two 90 minute runs and a 2 hour run since Thursday. My legs felt clunky and my HR was higher than usual, probably reflecting the fact that resting HR is still erratic. This morning resting HR as 60 compared with the usual 46-48 before my illness. I hope to recommence systematic marathon training next week. I will be aiming for Manchester in April. In contrast to my training in Nov and Dec, I will introduce a modest amount of threshold running into the schedule, mainly in the later stages of progressive runs.
In my longer runs since mid-summer I have not consumed any fuel during my long runs, as my pace has been slow enough to be sustained entirely via fat metabolism, and I wanted to avoid developing an unnecessary reliance on glucose. However, once I introduce a significant amount of threshold pace into long runs, it will be time to experiment with fuelling. In the past I have relied on an energy drink which I concoct myself. However in Manchester the organisers provide Energ:gel, so perhaps I should try some in the near future. Nonetheless, I will be sparing in using them as I do not want to undermine my ability to metabolise fat
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Jan 2015
7:30pm, 25 Jan 2015
4,093 posts
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FenlandRunner
The only gels I can take are SiS, but as reported earlier today, not sure they do me any good.
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Jan 2015
8:41pm, 25 Jan 2015
1,255 posts
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Canute
FR
Thanks for your comment. It is quite likely that you are able to metabolise fat to provide most of the energy required at a pace of 8:49 per mile, so I your 20 miler this morning you probably still had quite a lot of glycogen left. Therefore, you might not have derived much benefit for the gels this morning.
The question of whether or not it is good to take gels during training depends on your goals for the session, including perhaps the need to test how well a particular gel suits you. If you have already established that SIS suit you, the main issue you face is the fact that you have recently increased the intensity of your training, and it would be unwise to take too many risks until you have established how well your body is coping. Serious glycogen depletion will increase stress hormone levels. So overall, I think you were probably sensible to take gels this morning as a precaution. However if you want to continue to develop ability to metabolise fat, you might consider decreasing gel intake in the next long run and see if it affects you. Nonetheless, when you race a marathon you definately should take fuel and it is important to know what suits you.
I have been looking in the comparison between SIS and Energ:gel. Both claim to be isotonic – which should promote easy absorption, but they are relatively bulky because the water content of the gel is high. SIS contains maltodextrin, which despite being a complex carbohydrate, has a fairly high glycaemic index and therefore will give a quick energy boost, which is what you require during the race, but it is not as (sickly?) sweet a sucrose. So far I have not discovered what is the main carb in Energ:gel though I suspect it is likely to be maltodextrin.
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Jan 2015
1:23pm, 26 Jan 2015
45 posts
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Dillthedog57
I use High 5 gels, in the summer I use the IsoGels, as a substitute for taking water on a run, but at this time of year, when it is cooler, I just take the standard gel. I also save the caffeine gels for later in races, or for short races when I am looking for a bit of a "pep". I'm not sure how much of this gives a physical improvement, and how much is purely a psychological boost, but either way, they seem to do the job. I only use High 5s because they were given out free at the Bristol 10k, and I have stuck with them since. Bit of a freebie junkie
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Jan 2015
6:30pm, 26 Jan 2015
4,101 posts
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FenlandRunner
Probably the wrong thread, but I'd like to ask Canute a question! After yesterday's 20-mile run for the first time this year I've minor muscle soreness in my leg muscles with the exception of my hamstrings. Is the reason the hamstrings are unaffected due to the or do you think it is technique (or lack of)?
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Jan 2015
6:33pm, 26 Jan 2015
12,376 posts
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GlennR
Question for you FR: do you usually get muscle soreness in your hams and if so why?
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Jan 2015
7:28pm, 26 Jan 2015
4,102 posts
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FenlandRunner
Glenn: I do not usually suffer hamstring muscle soreness BUT if a muscle set is going to cramp towards the end of a marathon it will be my left hamstring! Why my left hamstring cramps, I've no idea
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Jan 2015
7:40pm, 26 Jan 2015
12,377 posts
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GlennR
Cramp is a weird beast.
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