Polarized training

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Canute
Two further points about breathing

When running fast:
1) Even if the chief goal is getting CO2 out, time spent breathing in decreases time available for breathing out
2) When running fast, O2 requirement is many times greater than at rest, so getting enough O2 in becomes a challenge
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NN - Yep, Pirie didn't want you to neglect any part of training at any point, just change the emphasis.
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NN, I strongly agree with your interpretation of Pire rule 9, and see it as an argument in favour of polarised training

Much evidence suggests that Lydiard (or at least some of his followers, eg the enigmatic ‘Mystery Coach’ and perhaps even the delightful and sadly missed John Hadd Walsh) were wrong in their claim that anaerobic training damages the aerobic enzymes produced by low intensity training. In fact, HIIT enhances aerobic enzymes
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9:48pm, 11 Nov 2014
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NN,
Regarding fibre conversion, for distance runners (5K and upwards) it is helpful to develop type 1 as much as possible because type 1 fibres are more efficient.

The metabolic efficiency of muscle varies with contraction speed. Typically type 2 have maximum efficiency at a contraction speed about three times that of type 1. During distance races, muscle shortening rate for the major leg muscles corresponds more nearly to the optimum contraction rate of type 1.
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9:51pm, 11 Nov 2014
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Ninky Nonk
The mechanism might be wrong, but their real world evidence lends credibility to the conclusion.

And not all hiit is equal. Gerschler style intervals can be aerobic.

Who's the mystery coach?

Must also say I enjoy your website canute. The second best way to spend my lunch break (after running).
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10:07pm, 11 Nov 2014
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Mystery Coach is a coach at a university in Florida. He is extremely well informed about Lydiard’s methods.

He prefers anonymity but used to post occasionally on Mike’s blog: http://championseverywhere.blogspot.co.uk/.
Sadly Mike developed multiple sclerosis over 2 years ago, and the blog has become inactive.

Thanks for your comment on my blog. I am glad to hear that it does not distract you from running. From the high number of hits during the working week, from many parts of the world, and the somewhat lower number on weekends, I sometimes wonder if my blog damages the world’s GNP (but probably less than Fetch damages the British GNP ;) )
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Ninky Nonk
Thanks for the link.
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Techthick
It has been lively here....

I am trying to find out if there are benefits in doing 'Doubles' in relation to our metabolism.

I've read that our metabolic rate decreases with age ... is this a fact ?
If it is a fact... what effect does it have on racing times?
If it is a fact... Is there any way of slowing down the metabolic process

Is there a measurement for metabolic rate

I'll finish where I started... is there a benefit in doing 'Doubles' (APART FROM... just more miles)

Thoughts/wisdom/anyone... :-)
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Techthick
Humbled having read...
championseverywhere.blogspot.co.uk
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9:26am, 12 Nov 2014
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Techthick

Some evidence indicates that doubles can be as effective as the same total volume in singles for producing increases in VO2 max. However I suspect that doubles are less good for developing fat burning capacity. Nonetheless, in my youth, I had great success with doubles, perhaps because doubles are less stressful and therefore allow a greater total volume.

Measuring VO2 max requires measurement of expired gases. However it can be estimated fairly accurately from peak performance over a given distance using Daniel’s formula. Perhaps even more relevant is metabolic efficiency. This can be estimated from HR at sub-maximal paces. I plan to do a post on my Wordpress blog about this next weekend.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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