Polarized training

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SPR
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His interval training is certainly relevant to the thread.

My understanding is oxygen isn't the problem (we can't use all the oxygen in the air we breathe in) when it comes to breathing, carbon dioxide is. This means breathing out is the critical issue, or is where the problem is.
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Ninky Nonk
If that were the case then surely altitude training, with the reduced levels of oxygen in the thin air, would be a bit pointless?
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Ninky Nonk
Although that could be something to do with having more haemoglobin?
SPR
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SPR
Hmmm. I guess the increase in carbon dioxide may mean you need more oxygen to balance it.

I believe with altitude, it is harder to extract oxygen from the air, so your body responds by becoming more efficient at it.
SPR
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SPR
Hopefully Canute will be along soon to give a definitive answer.
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SPR
...but my thinking is, given that I don't think breathing is a limiting factor, it is better to try and keep it relaxed. How much more air can you get into your lungs?
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Ninky Nonk
At vo2 max I guess you're using as much oxygen as you can.

At that pace you're usually shifting along at a decent pace...and if you're anything like me blowing out my ass if not my nose ;-)
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Canute
Great to see that the thread is chugging along in a lively manner.

With regard to breathing, at sea level carbon dioxide is the main stimulus to ventilation. At altitude hypoxia does increase ventilation, but usually only when the inspired oxygen pressure is reduced to about 13.3 kPa (at 3000 m altitude).

I breathe in through my nose during easy running mainly to avoid cold air that exacerbates my asthma, but usually I breathe out through my mouth. Above the second ventilatory threshold I breathe in and out through my mouth because reducing the obstruction to breathing is a priority

NN
Discussion of Pirieisms is welcome.

Some of Pirie’s 12 rules contain a useful message: e.g.

7 - Arm power is directly proportional to leg power.

Some are, in my opinion, rubbish: e.g.
4 - Quality beats quantity; the speed at which you practice the most will be your best speed.
5 - Walking damages running.

Other are probably more wrong than right but worth discussing: e.g.
9 - Speed kills endurance; endurance kills speed.
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FenlandRunner
I'm with you on the above Pirie-isms, but then, again, I have nothing in common with Pirie.
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Ninky Nonk
I always thought no. 9 was emphasising the importance of not over emphasising your training in a particular direction at anytime.

Steve magness has a similar philosophy I think. Do sprints in the base phase. Do aerobic work in race prep.

Too much anaerobic work ruins aerobic condition Is a lydiardism.

And what about fibre conversion?

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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