Nov 2014
8:09pm, 11 Nov 2014
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SPR
His interval training is certainly relevant to the thread.
My understanding is oxygen isn't the problem (we can't use all the oxygen in the air we breathe in) when it comes to breathing, carbon dioxide is. This means breathing out is the critical issue, or is where the problem is.
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Nov 2014
8:15pm, 11 Nov 2014
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Ninky Nonk
If that were the case then surely altitude training, with the reduced levels of oxygen in the thin air, would be a bit pointless?
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Nov 2014
8:24pm, 11 Nov 2014
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Ninky Nonk
Although that could be something to do with having more haemoglobin?
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Nov 2014
8:34pm, 11 Nov 2014
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SPR
Hmmm. I guess the increase in carbon dioxide may mean you need more oxygen to balance it.
I believe with altitude, it is harder to extract oxygen from the air, so your body responds by becoming more efficient at it.
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Nov 2014
8:39pm, 11 Nov 2014
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SPR
Hopefully Canute will be along soon to give a definitive answer.
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Nov 2014
8:42pm, 11 Nov 2014
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SPR
...but my thinking is, given that I don't think breathing is a limiting factor, it is better to try and keep it relaxed. How much more air can you get into your lungs?
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Nov 2014
8:53pm, 11 Nov 2014
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Ninky Nonk
At vo2 max I guess you're using as much oxygen as you can.
At that pace you're usually shifting along at a decent pace...and if you're anything like me blowing out my ass if not my nose
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Nov 2014
9:06pm, 11 Nov 2014
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Canute
Great to see that the thread is chugging along in a lively manner.
With regard to breathing, at sea level carbon dioxide is the main stimulus to ventilation. At altitude hypoxia does increase ventilation, but usually only when the inspired oxygen pressure is reduced to about 13.3 kPa (at 3000 m altitude).
I breathe in through my nose during easy running mainly to avoid cold air that exacerbates my asthma, but usually I breathe out through my mouth. Above the second ventilatory threshold I breathe in and out through my mouth because reducing the obstruction to breathing is a priority
NN Discussion of Pirieisms is welcome.
Some of Pirie’s 12 rules contain a useful message: e.g.
7 - Arm power is directly proportional to leg power.
Some are, in my opinion, rubbish: e.g. 4 - Quality beats quantity; the speed at which you practice the most will be your best speed. 5 - Walking damages running.
Other are probably more wrong than right but worth discussing: e.g. 9 - Speed kills endurance; endurance kills speed.
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Nov 2014
9:15pm, 11 Nov 2014
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FenlandRunner
I'm with you on the above Pirie-isms, but then, again, I have nothing in common with Pirie.
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Nov 2014
9:27pm, 11 Nov 2014
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Ninky Nonk
I always thought no. 9 was emphasising the importance of not over emphasising your training in a particular direction at anytime.
Steve magness has a similar philosophy I think. Do sprints in the base phase. Do aerobic work in race prep.
Too much anaerobic work ruins aerobic condition Is a lydiardism.
And what about fibre conversion?
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