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Dvorak 13 Nov 2:34pm, 13 Nov 2024 28,252 posts	0 Dvorak Fetch can work magic ✨, but there are limits @Brunski, no, it's rubbish and it always was I reckoned about fifteen years ago by max hr was 196, and three years ago it was around 192 (I think I only hit 189, but also felt I wasn't quite maxed out). Max in the last twelve months was 187 at the end of a parkrun (average was only 158, but I had a slow first km.)
larkim 13 Nov 2:45pm, 13 Nov 2024 26,107 posts	0 larkim Chest and wrist HRM both went to 183 on my VO2Max session. I don't think I've ever seen a reliable number that high in races / training, though I've got close, and I'd only really trust a high reading if I was getting it from two devices at the same time.
Brunski 13 Nov 2:56pm, 13 Nov 2024 2,496 posts	0 Brunski Thanks both, @Dvorak I take my HR max from a mile training race where me and a group of mates went after a ~~strava~~ CR. I was probably only 3 or 4 weeks back from a bit of a break from running and the trace looked really solid. Like larkim I have always found it hard to get close to that max in races/training when I'm fit, and over the last few years I've revised my max down maybe 3 bears on my training log (was just wondering if I needed to revise it further to account for the last few years since the 10k PB). I think the general consensus is not necessarily.
K5 Gus 13 Nov 3:51pm, 13 Nov 2024 6,277 posts	0 K5 Gus Max HR - has to be hill reps !!! A set of 5 or 6 decent length hill reps, not too steep, want them to be runnable. No rest at the top of each, just turn and jog back down. Give it everything on the final one, and if you're not on the verge of puking up you didn't try hard enough 😉
J2R 13 Nov 3:51pm, 13 Nov 2024 5,725 posts	0 J2R OK, uploaded the file from a recent 10K race (.tcx, exported from SportTracks Mobi, which is what I use) and imported it into Fetch, and it's now showing beats per mile fine. It's coming out as 930-940 beats/mile once warmed up after the first mile or so. This is suggestive of a decent level of aerobic fitness, I would say, but will also be affected to some degree by the beta-blocker I am on (albeit in a small dose).
larkim 13 Nov 4:26pm, 13 Nov 2024 26,109 posts	0 larkim K5 Gus wrote:Max HR - has to be hill reps !!! A set of 5 or 6 decent length hill reps, not too steep, want them to be runnable. No rest at the top of each, just turn and jog back down. Give it everything on the final one, and if you're not on the verge of puking up you didn't try hard enough 😉 Even that didn't get me to the same as the VO2Max on a treadmill when I last tried it - only got to 178 then. Maybe indoor temps or just the fact that someone was watching me helped me push harder in terms of HR.
SPR 13 Nov 4:38pm, 13 Nov 2024 46,714 posts	0 SPR I think a give it everything strategy would like blow your legs before HR hits max. VO2 Max tests follow a ramp up to max intensity strategy
J2R 13 Nov 8:24pm, 13 Nov 2024 5,726 posts	0 J2R The highest HR I've seen on a run has been on a parkrun with a slightly slower friend, when I ran at his pace for the first 4km, brisk but not flat out, and then quickly accelerated away from him and shot up a hill. At the top I was about 3 beats short of what I reckoned my HRmax was at that point. So, a thorough warm-up, HR already reasonably high, and then a hill, which makes demands before exhaustion has set in, causing your central governor brain to keep a lid on things.
Chrisull 10:40am 10:40am, 14 Nov 2024 22,422 posts	0 Chrisull On hill reps, my legs go before my heart... (maybe the hills are just to steep in Cornwall). My highest HR remains on the non-recommended bleep test method and not hill reps.
larkim 10:46am 10:46am, 14 Nov 2024 26,115 posts	0 larkim Yep, agree that ramping things up feels like a better way to reach max. When I did the hill reps approach it always felt that the minute or so of exertion was never quite enough to max things out, especially as the fitter I (we) get the faster the recovery from one rep to another.

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"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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