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Jul 2020
2:16pm, 24 Jul 2020
34,996 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
I'll message you
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Jul 2020
2:29pm, 24 Jul 2020
30,560 posts
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SPR
Did you have a conversation with the coach and whether their philosophy was right for you before starting with them?
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Jul 2020
3:01pm, 24 Jul 2020
6,852 posts
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paul the builder
Was it the same coach (from another thread, I think) that wanted paying for just providing a standard off-the-shelf plan?
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Jul 2020
4:08pm, 24 Jul 2020
34,999 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Unfortunately SPR this was after I was enticed by a clever marketing plan which like most is just clever wrapping of a turd.
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Jul 2020
4:08pm, 24 Jul 2020
35,000 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Yes Paul I realised that the self ‘specific’ plan really wasn’t
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Aug 2020
9:00am, 17 Aug 2020
11,696 posts
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larkim
Really silly question coming up.
I ran some intervals on Saturday am which elevated HR to Z5. Heat and ambition meant I overcooked it so instead of spending time in Z4 at tempo, I spent a similar length of time in Z5, and accordingly the later rep was poor in terms of speed and challenging in terms of raw effort level. (We could argue the toss about what zone I was or should have been in, but the bottom line is I know I overcooked it so it wasn't done "properly").
My silly quesiton is this though - as a consequence of living up a big hill, I noticed that my "warm down" mileage also included periods at the high HR that was putting in in the intervals. Again, my own stupidity for not walking. However, did this extra period at high HR level provide a likely benefit or detriment? i.e. once you've stopped lining up pace with effort properly, and you're running at a deteriorating pace for the HR levels, what's happening to your body in terms of the stimuli being applied?
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Aug 2020
10:03am, 17 Aug 2020
2,911 posts
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J2R
Not an answer as such, larkim, but I've long felt that you get some worthwhile training benefit merely from running your heart at high revs for a while, so to speak, how ever this is achieved. Maybe it's your brain you're training, in fact, letting it know that periods of high HR are not necessarily harmful and thus needn't be speed-governed.
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Aug 2020
10:11am, 17 Aug 2020
11,699 posts
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larkim
That's sort of what I was getting at. If the heart operating at a specific range triggers adaptions, do those adaptions transpire whether it's at 6min/mile in an interval or 9min/mile when you're notionally cooling down and your leg speed is completely different.
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Aug 2020
10:47am, 17 Aug 2020
12,658 posts
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Badger
That's a really interesting question, given how many different things actually drive heart rate, directly or indirectly - glucose needs, oxygen needs, CO2 and other waste collection, carrying heat from deep tissues to the surface to lose it.
One of the adaptations to all of those is vascular remodelling in the muscles (reflected in lower resting HR as the resistance of the network to flow falls), and I would expect that to happen independent of the dominant driver of heart rate. Whereas muscle cell adaptation is probably another story. Would love to hear Canute's view on that.
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Aug 2020
11:24am, 17 Aug 2020
11,703 posts
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larkim
I thought I recalled a post by Gobi recently in relation to HR / heat where (if I'm remembering correctly) the summary I think was if you're training to HR, your heart doesn't know what your legs are doing. But i can't remember which thread that was on to check if I've remembered it correctly, or in context properly.
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Daniels Running Formula. The Definitive Wire.
Jul 2023