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Aug 2017
4:43pm, 16 Aug 2017
7,374 posts
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LouLou
Hello.
NE - are you on prednisolone? are you still able to train to the same level with your arthritis e.g. I would suspect that pain/ muscular issues would mean you may not reach the same heart rate you were prior to having this issue? In terms of it being safe, I would presume if you have no other heart or health issues then there wouldn't be an issue training to heart rate - I'm not sure I agree with your statement about heart "functionality" being affected.
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Aug 2017
4:55pm, 16 Aug 2017
4,382 posts
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Northern Exile
Hi, yes, it's prednisolone. Please don't take much stock with my use of the word "functionality", that's just me trying to express that I know the drug makes my HR go a bit erratic. My rheumatologist has diagnosed undifferentiated arthritis with a "polymyalgic onset", I don't really know what that means, but I can tell you that if I push things too hard - in very general terms into the anaerobic area - then it cause a bit of a flare up of my symptoms. Those symptoms, by the way, look very much like polymyalgia insomuch as it's my shoulders and pelvic girdle that's mostly affected, if it's bad it creeps down to my knees. So muscular, rather than joints. My doctor thought it was PMR when I first staggered into her surgery.
I actually loosen up quite a lot once I get moving, so whatever it is I'm suffering from doesn't really restrict my movement. I can't pull as hard as I'd like when swimming, but that's the only restriction.
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Aug 2017
5:22pm, 16 Aug 2017
7,377 posts
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LouLou
Poly "more than one or many" and myalgic is describes muscle or muscular so whilst arthritis often presents with joint pain some forms can present with pain more around muscle groups.
Your HR might be higher as a result of pain or the affects of responding to the inflammatory process. It's good that exercise helps and I suppose it's finding that level where it doesn't make you too sore. I suppose HR might be a useful way of keeping your running aerobic?
Out of interest anyone on this thread train to HR on beta blockers? Would be interested to hear experiences. My max HR when training these days is around 155bpm - though I discovered today the highest my HR has been recently is 170. I do my "general" runs averaging Around 125-130bpm and I'd say a park run or interval session 150bpm average seems to be it. Just interested - I haven't and wouldn't be in a situation to do a max heart rate test now.
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Aug 2017
6:57pm, 16 Aug 2017
1,069 posts
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Dillthedog57
HoD- the faster road racing book has LT run HR between 80 and 91% of max heart rate, or 75-88% of HRR. If I run at LT pace, betwen 10k and HM pace, my heart rate will be right at the top of those ranges. I usually do an LT pace parkrun in about 21/22 mins.
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Aug 2017
7:36pm, 16 Aug 2017
6,190 posts
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paul the builder
LT and sub-LT are (obviously) not the same thing. It's not clear what HOD's question is referring to. And 80% to 91% of maxHR is a huuge range - for a well-trained runner, it's something like ultra-distance race effort to 10km/10m race effort.
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Aug 2017
7:49pm, 16 Aug 2017
1,070 posts
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Dillthedog57
PtB, I agree. I was assuming HoD wasn't talking Hadd training, but I may have been wrong. 80-91 is very wide, and my LT pace definitely puts me at the very top end a which is also about my marathon heart rate.
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Aug 2017
6:48am, 17 Aug 2017
11,825 posts
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early bird
Loulou I maybe on the verge of being prescribed a beta blocker which I'm not sure I want to take. It would be for treating anxiety but my resting hr is around 48. I had a *blackout* (fall to the ground straight down no injuries whist running) my epilepsy nurse says it's not part of my seizures so she wants me investigated by GP. She suspects he will put me on them. My dad has a low hr and has passed out quite a few times with it and been threatened with a pacemaker. In my way of thinking with my lowish hr and family history I wouldn't want to go on it. If they do put me on them I'll happily report back to you though.
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Aug 2017
9:18am, 17 Aug 2017
29,876 posts
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GlennR
early bird, having received treatment, including medication for anxiety myself, beta blockers are a crap (but cheap) way of dealing with it which, given your low heart rate might even be dangerous. Insist on something better.
I have NHS material on using CBT methods to cope with anxiety in pdf form if you want them.
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Aug 2017
9:39am, 17 Aug 2017
4,384 posts
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Northern Exile
LouLou, thank you for the guidance, much appreciated.
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Aug 2017
2:01pm, 17 Aug 2017
783 posts
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Shortcut Cam
Maybe my first post here. I'm finding the discussion on medication interesting. I was on stage fright propranolol a couple of years ago and tbh my heart rate readings scared the crap out of me I stopped in favour of cbt methods. For example I ran the 2015 Snowdonia marathon in 3:50 with average HR of 128 and max of 147. Last year ran in 3:44 with normal readings of av HR 152 and 167 max (my mhr is ~172).
Now, prednisolone, that's a story for another day perhaps. No wonder elite cyclists have this on TUE's!
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