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dibbers Oct 2016 3:52pm, 13 Oct 2016 210 posts	0 dibbers My paces are very similar to HOD, with my marathon pace at 8.11. Which means for us two that with each distance doubled we're adding approximately 22 seconds per mile. Isn't 10-15s meant to represent good aerobic conditioning?
Huntsman Oct 2016 4:15pm, 13 Oct 2016 4,362 posts	0 Huntsman HADD - 15 seconds per mile for each distance doubled equals good aerobic conditioning. Marathon pace is 1 mile PR pace + 60 seconds.
Dvorak Oct 2016 4:40pm, 13 Oct 2016 12,315 posts	0 Dvorak The two statements do not quite tally, Huntsman. A mile doubled up four times is only sixteen miles, which would make marathon pace mile pace + c69 seconds? Over a marathon, that's about four minutes difference. Also, taking a mile as a starting point raises a question: as much of that would be run anaerobically, is it a good guide to aerobic fitness?
Nelly Oct 2016 4:46pm, 13 Oct 2016 3,577 posts	0 Nelly Dvorak, it's an approximate relationship. "Think of it roughly like a clock face: Your one mile PR should be at 12, your 5k PR pace should be at quarter-past (+15 secs), your 10k PR should be at half-past (again, +15 secs), your HM PR should be at quarter-to (again + 15 secs), and your marathon PR should be once again at the top of the hour. (This also fits in with the old rule of thumb that your marathon PR pace should be mile PR pace + 60 secs/mile)"
Huntsman Oct 2016 4:52pm, 13 Oct 2016 4,363 posts	0 Huntsman Thanks Nelly.
larkim Oct 2016 11:19am, 14 Oct 2016 1,118 posts	0 larkim I'd like to get more value out of understanding my HR data. I don't run with a HRM all of the time, but go through phases of using it. I would tend to use it in a race. I've assumed for a while that my max HR is about 185bpm. I've never done a specific fitness test on my own or had the lab-based test done, but I think I've based that off some of the "cleaner" data that I've had (e.g. a 10k in June 2013 which had a very consistent trace (i.e. no major blips) and was heading upwards of 180 in the final sprint - and I know I gave that everything that night) - http://www.fetcheveryone.com/training-log-view.php?id=9063085 More recently (i.e. this year) I was at my fittest in March and whilst my half marathon that month had some dodgy data (flat-lined after a deluge mid-race) a hard effort parkrun a few weeks before had a consistent trace http://www.fetcheveryone.com/training-log-view.php?id=12314204 Picking up the threads on the last few pages here, I do think that despite my low mileage volume I demonstrate a reasonably consistent picture from 5k through to half marathon (no marathon done yet), assuming the PBs there are on consistently fit and healthy periods. 5k best of 19:24, 10k 41:05 (might look a little soft), 10 mile 67:02 and half 89:02. If I'm reading the info right here, that implies that my aerobic fitness is not too badly trained, despite the mileage deficit. Any pointers as to where I could usefully use heart rate info to get more out of myself than I currently do?
larkim Oct 2016 11:30am, 14 Oct 2016 1,119 posts	0 larkim I should add that in my early days of running (now 6 years gone) I followed a plan which quite often ended up with me "spent" at the end of every run (followed by at least one day of rest) and ended up with me running 1:35 having not spent any time exercising at all in the previous 20 years and despite being objectively overweght (5ft8, probably 78-79kg at the time). Even today I'm only just under a 25 BMI with weight now most often 74.5-75kg (and I haven't grown taller or shrunk!). This gives me a slightly perverse outlook on slower running as the faster stuff seems not to have done any harm. I am softening in that view and trying new things, but I am limited in terms of training hours available so do need good "bang for your buck" training.
Gobi Oct 2016 11:37am, 14 Oct 2016 59,026 posts	0 Gobi The irony being a lot of the best data cones from the recovery. To train to (with) HR you need to wear the device
larkim Oct 2016 11:48am, 14 Oct 2016 1,120 posts	0 larkim OK, that's a useful pointer, thanks. I have been wearing it more recently, and looking back over the last few months its been there for about 30-40% of my runs so there is some good data there. When you "recover" do you mean the recovery period following a run, or more the "recovery" type runs?
Gobi Oct 2016 12:10pm, 14 Oct 2016 59,027 posts	0 Gobi I mean for monitoring recovery and steady runs

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"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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