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May 2009
8:37am, 1 May 2009
5,180 posts
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hellen
Ran a marathon at 90% WHR on Sunday!!! My HM PB was run at 91% and 10km is 92%!!!!
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May 2009
8:47am, 1 May 2009
19,288 posts
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My recent improvements are more to do with better technique than anything else - I'm not advocating any particular method but I have recently realised just how much difference it can make.
For example on Thursday 16th of May I ran 5.07 miles in 00:40:00 minutes @07:53 pace and 73%WHR.
Yesterday I ran 5.56 miles in 00:40:00 minutes @07:12 pace and 72%WHR.
In such a short time all I have done is change the way in which I run to a more efficient way. I haven't actually trained that much (for me).
I also attribute my recent marathon PB of 16 minutes faster than previous to my recent style improvements.
I know some people do not seem to be able to benefit much from HRM training or it seems much more difficult to them. I'm not saying this applies to everyone BUT it has occurred to me just now that maybe some people could look into the way they run as well and this would help them to be able to run below their 70%WHR threshold and increase the benefits of HRM training for them?
Food for thought I feel...
Nice improvements there FR 
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May 2009
8:48am, 1 May 2009
19,289 posts
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Hellen, I was quite surprised to see that I ran the same marathon at 78%WHR.
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May 2009
8:49am, 1 May 2009
19,290 posts
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Doh, sorry, half asleep, you said HALF I shouldn't assume...
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May 2009
10:20am, 1 May 2009
5,185 posts
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hellen
Ian, I always run marathons at a high HR, the HR always seems to be a lot higher than the same pace in trianing.
For example, before my marathon I did a 4 mile MP run with HR of 159, in the marathon the first 4 miles at that pace averaged low 180s!!
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May 2009
10:56am, 1 May 2009
72 posts
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DrDan
That's a huge difference Hellen ... your heart rate increase must be tuned into "the sense of occasion" as it doesn't seem to be indicative of actual running effort. Interesting...
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May 2009
11:02am, 1 May 2009
5,187 posts
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hellen
thats always the case Dr Dan. Before a marathon I will do a few short runs at what I think is my MP, the HR is usually low 160s. I then get to the marathon and find that my HR is 170s for the same first few miles. On Sunday it was more than usual due to the heat! My HR was actually lower in the second half of my marathon because at about 15miles I decided to give up and save myself for Edinburgh instead!
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May 2009
1:53am, 2 May 2009
1,846 posts
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Dvorak
I'm always interested to read this thread even though I don't do 'HR running'. I just PBd over 10K at 85% WHR (taking out the first 2K, about 87%WHR). I find that my race HR isn't higher than expected: ie there is a fairly linear relation between HR and pace - if anything, as I go faster, the curve dips rather than rises (on the Fetch stats, beat per km dip significantly the faster I go). What do other people find?
PS Hellen that's working hard
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May 2009
5:53am, 2 May 2009
1,558 posts
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Peacey
I had a 90% average at FLM too fora 7.21mm pace, heat can affect the HR also. Shows I was working dam hard, I think your right about the occasion bumping the average up also!
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May 2009
6:49am, 2 May 2009
1,007 posts
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mic
ergo-dynamics of all races impact WHR -
Aerobic/Anearobic % of event are roughly 70/30 for 5K, 80/20for 10k and 90/10 for the marathon
Anticipatory response will skew the figures also :-/
Have you folks done a Year-on-Year review of the exact same races ?? and training sessions ?? pre and post major races ??
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