Grammar pedants - help please.
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Mar 2023
10:18pm, 23 Mar 2023
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♪♫ Synge ♪♫
I suspect that we all remember from uni or college those A4 pads of paper with feint lines ruled across the pages. Who can help me explain to my daughter why the line on her lateral flow test is a faint line and not a feint line?
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Mar 2023
6:25am, 24 Mar 2023
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alpenrose
You could try getting a dictionary out.
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Mar 2023
8:28am, 24 Mar 2023
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♪♫ Synge ♪♫
I suppose I was wondering *why* they are feint lines rather than wondering which is correct.
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Mar 2023
8:39am, 24 Mar 2023
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DeeGee
As I understand it "feint" is specifically used in papermaking to describe that style of ruled paper. I suspect that they have the same etymological root. Is it feasible that the split between the spellings for this particular usage occurred before the spelling "faint" was set? Papermaking and printing has been around a lot longer than the dictionary. |
Mar 2023
8:44am, 24 Mar 2023
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DeeGee
Alternatively, going from the meaning of the word "feint", and the fact that on my pad on my desk just here it's "ruled feint", is it that the lines aren't *actually* ruled (ie by someone's hand), but are "pretend" ruled lines, in that they were printed? I'd just be guessing to be honest. |
Mar 2023
8:55am, 24 Mar 2023
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ChrisHB
The two words appear to have the same beginnings. merriam-webster.com merriam-webster.com But: He feints ~= he is fighting and tries to deceive He faints ~= he was overcome by weakness so the verb has opposed meanings |
Mar 2023
9:14am, 24 Mar 2023
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♪♫ Synge ♪♫
It looks as if Merriam Webster doesn’t recognise feint as an adjective. Does that make it a British English usage only? It seems likely that it could be an alternative spelling that stuck.
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Mar 2023
9:54am, 24 Mar 2023
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um
I suspect faint has gone from not just weakness, but to also now mean pale, as in colours or 'a faint hint of'. Whereas feint has always been deception, in paper (and IT forms), it's supposedly there as a guide, not necessarily to be seen later. (as in old manuscripts where it was a very light line). Also can be used, I think, for pale format hints, eg a light grey dd mm yy in date fields that disappear as you type soemthing in? |
Mar 2023
9:54am, 24 Mar 2023
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Silent Runner
Google’s dictionary gives feint (in the printing sense) as a mid 19th century variant of faint.
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Mar 2023
10:28am, 24 Mar 2023
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♪♫ Synge ♪♫
On a slightly related note, I am delighted to see that Basildon Bond still supply a lined guide sheet with their pads of writing paper. Memories of using these to write birthday and Christmas thank you letters as a child! |
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