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Jul 2020
10:25am, 5 Jul 2020
6,152 posts
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Eynsham Red
TMW / rf, Oxford City Council are proposing to install 100 “pop up” on street charging points for properties that have no off street parking. I understand that they will lift up from the pavement when in use and drop back flush to the pavement when not required.
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Jul 2020
10:33am, 5 Jul 2020
7,445 posts
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Too Much Water
run free - all the housing stock around here is Victorian terraces with no off-road parking so frankly mandating new residences to have charging points would make no difference to me unless you knocked down our cottages and rebuilt them!
Forward thinking councils may well introduce street charging points but what if my council isn’t one of them?
The concept doesn’t work unless I can charge directly from outside my house - which for anyone living in a terraced house means obstructing the pedestrian highway which would probably be illegal.
I’m sure these are mere trifles to be easily solved in the utopian future however this can’t work currently for large amounts of my town. Be interesting to see how it changes.
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Jul 2020
5:52pm, 5 Jul 2020
10,535 posts
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rf_fozzy
And if all those issues were solved (which are well on the way to being solved), it would still be just slightly the wrong shade of pink in the afternoon for you, TMW.
And you've never been a "regular joe"
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Jul 2020
10:13pm, 5 Jul 2020
4,249 posts
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run free
Gobi - think Fozzy's autonomous vehicles will come in the next 20 years. The govt began that future 3 years ago. They've already started to create the infrastructure. Right now rich countries are trying to be the first to have autonomous cars. Shall we place some bets who will have the system in place first?
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Jul 2020
10:31pm, 5 Jul 2020
70,692 posts
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Gobi
It wont be the UK
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Jul 2020
1:07am, 6 Jul 2020
7,446 posts
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Too Much Water
Yes it certainly won’t be the UK. I will believe it when I see it. 100 charging points in Oxford is a start but it’s hardly a critical mass.
Until there’s a system in place which covers roads like my current one then electric cars are not much good to me or anyone else in terraces. I’m not trying to be obstructive fozzy but it feels like there’s a long way to go before electric cars are practical for much of the country.
Signed, a regular joe
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Jul 2020
7:34am, 6 Jul 2020
11,422 posts
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larkim
Careful to distinguish between autonomous and electric.
Autonomous I do think is further away than 20 years; the infrastructure to get from every A to every B autonomously will be huge, and even today there are such large volumes of cars and other vehicles that are close to 20 years old still on the road, that will still be the case in 20 years time.
Maybe some categories - buses, long distance hgv, taxis. But not all cars. 50 years perhaps.
Electric will be much faster, I can see no new ICE cars being sold in 20 years comfortably.
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Jul 2020
8:44am, 6 Jul 2020
35,481 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Funny how this has turned into an autonomous vehicle chat! For the discussion, I'm all in favour, would be an early adopter and advocate and would happily use them now! I just wish everyone else would too. Would massively reduce road deaths, especially among young people - any cyclists / pedestrians. ( A friend of a friend was killed at weekend, runner and cyclist, in his 30s, just wiped out by a van).
New Mini - do we love it?  G
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Jul 2020
9:06am, 6 Jul 2020
70,693 posts
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Gobi
HG - I am very sorry to hear about your friend, it is never good to read about someone being killed. Truly sorry for your loss.
I'm a runner and cyclist and I won't adopt it. Sorry but I value my independance too much(as said, I think my death will arrive before Autonomoy is wide spread)
The mini ended in 1999, the German hatchback made in Oxford on stolen heritage can rot :¬)
Anyone thought about the mass unemployment that will be caused by Autonomous vehicles ?
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Jul 2020
9:07am, 6 Jul 2020
10,536 posts
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rf_fozzy
Again, you must remember that disruptive technologies establish themselves must faster than expected. It is highly non-linear. Remember the S curve.
In the US, particularly California, there'll be at 1-3% autonomous vehicles by 2025 easily. Initially this will be commercial and limited (e.g. within a factory use - in fact this is reasonably widespread now), but this will very rapidly roll out across passenger transport.
The transition will come at the same time and on the back of EVs, so the two are entwined.
I'd expect by the early to mid 2030s the vast majority of vehicles to be capable of being autonomous.
It will be that fast. Remember by 2030, pretty much every new car will be electric.
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