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Sep 2017
12:51pm, 29 Sep 2017
17,245 posts
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flanker
how many lawyers?
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Sep 2017
12:54pm, 29 Sep 2017
21,806 posts
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Dave A
Charges depend on the level of injury. That's if charges are made against him. The cctv alone is not sufficient to charge anyone with anything. Victim/witness accounts need to be considered as key evidence, the cctv may support that.
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Sep 2017
12:55pm, 29 Sep 2017
21,807 posts
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Dave A
TMS on at the moment. I'm hoping Vaughan loses his voice soon. Or maybe we could get Stokes in the box and break his jaw.
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Sep 2017
2:49pm, 29 Sep 2017
17,246 posts
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flanker
given the way he punches he's more likely to ruffle his coiffure!
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Sep 2017
6:05pm, 29 Sep 2017
4,777 posts
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NDWDave
Just looked on betfair and they have 8/1 on a 5-0 Australia win.
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Oct 2017
10:48am, 2 Oct 2017
16,479 posts
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Wriggling Snake
I think that is quite fair
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Oct 2017
10:55am, 2 Oct 2017
16,480 posts
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Wriggling Snake
Let's dissect our Ashes chances properly.
Cook, past his best, fast pitches/bowling will find him out.
AN Other (ditto, lack experience, not up to job)
AN Other (Ditto)
Root (Pressure will tell)
AN Other (Ditto, for number 2 and 3)
Bairstow (I think he may find the fast short pitched stuff will get to him of he fails early)
Moeen (Best Allrounder, will be a triumph in terrible circumstances)
WIlley (will have odd angle in his favour)
Toblerone (could well play up well)
Anderson (Will be found out on non swinging ball/piches)
Broad (will play well)
I think we are on fro a damn good thrashing on the basis our batting, VInce, Malan etc won't hold up......the bowlers my well go well, but that is a big IF,, thebatting WILL fail, no question.
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Oct 2017
10:56am, 2 Oct 2017
11,828 posts
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Chrisull
It was 14/1 when the Stokes news broke.
Didn't think it was great odds then. Few reasons why...
1) weather can wash out any test match and make it a draw regardless of teams performance
2) the main purpose is win the ashes, once Australia achieve this (or if England did), then that little bit of impetus goes, a whitewash isn't as "important" as an ashes win. Also losing teams fight that little bit harder to avoid complete humiliation.
3) statistically speaking there are more different probabilities than 8. So if you're bettiig on a single game it can be a win/draw or loss. There are only three possible outcomes, whereas in this scenario you can have everything from 0-0 to 5-0 or 0-5. That's 21 outcomes. Now probably some of those are less likely than others, but can you rule any of those 21 series results out with a degree of 100% certainty? No you can't.
So I think 8/1 is stingy odds, as I thought 14/1 was also.
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Oct 2017
11:11am, 2 Oct 2017
6,348 posts
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Ceratonia
For it to be fair odds, it suggests that Australia have about a 65% chance of winning in each of the 5 matches.
If you look at Australia's last few home series, they don't lose very often (unlike away from home) but there haven't been any home whitewashes since the last Ashes.
Their home series record is
2014/15 India (won 2-0 from 4 tests)
2015/16 New Zealand (won 2-0 from 3 tests)
2015/16 West Indies (won 2-0 from 3 tests)
2016/17 South Africa (lost 1-2 from 3 tests)
2016/17 Pakistan (won 3-0 from 3 tests)
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Oct 2017
11:30am, 2 Oct 2017
16,482 posts
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Wriggling Snake
we lost 5-0 last time. We have form. They love smashing us to bits.
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