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20mile races in marathon build-ups

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Hills of Death (HOD)
Hills of Death (HOD)
Mar 2012
10:43pm, 19 Mar 2012
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Hills of Death (HOD)
The marathon that is ;-)
DeeGee
DeeGee
Mar 2012
11:02pm, 19 Mar 2012
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Something went very wrong half way in:

1) - 5m - 44:39(8:56/m) - 702cal

2) - 5m - 43:46(8:45/m) - 705cal

3) - 5m - 38:34(7:43/m) - 710cal

4) - 4m - 28:44(7:11/m) - 565cal

5) - 1.07m - 7:02(6:36/m) - 149cal
flanker
flanker
Mar 2012
12:01pm, 20 Mar 2012
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you got carried away??

My plan had been for a nice progressive 20 at Oakley to leave myself in good shape for VLM.

However it was pointed out to me last night that I have 3 marathons in 3 days the weekend following Oakley, and that there's probably little point in saving myself at Oakley. I can kinda see the point. So I might as well race Oakley after all!
rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy
Mar 2012
12:38pm, 20 Mar 2012
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I was reading Daniels' Running Formula 2nd ed last night. He advocates on p37 (and again in Chapter 6) that any marathon paced sessions in training (including marathon build-up) should be no longer than 90mins or 16miles (whichever is the lesser), but does say that 20mile/2hr training run, finishing at MP is also a good idea.

I didn't look at the P&D schedules in detail when I read that the other week, but I'm pretty sure that the longest MP run they advocated was 20 with 14 at MP. Can anyone jog my memory/confirm this?

The bottom line is that unless the 20miler is your "A" race, then you shouldn't race it!
clare1976
clare1976
Mar 2012
12:39pm, 20 Mar 2012
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lol @ flankers taper for a 3 in 3 - race a 20 :-o !! kinda makes sense tho!!
katec
katec
Mar 2012
4:58pm, 23 Mar 2012
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I've been lurking on this thread, Ive been told my long runs are too fast so I wanted to try Gobi's plan. My current marathon time is 4.19 and I think I could go a bit quicker? I've done my long run today and it hurt!!!! I got confused with my Gel routine, should I have stuck to my usual routine? where I started slow I didnt feel I needed one so didnt have my first till 1hr 30ish?

Is it supposed to have hurt as much as it did? All my other long runs I've done the opposite way round. It just felt an awful lot harder than usual?
puffinnuffin
puffinnuffin
Mar 2012
8:03pm, 23 Mar 2012
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Sometimes you just have a bad run. Better to get it over and done with in the training. Hopefully you have learned from this run and won't repeat the mistakes on race day.
Foxy Davy
Foxy Davy
May 2012
10:45am, 5 May 2012
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would anyone be interested in a 20 miler on August bank holiday Monday ?
ndellar
ndellar
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10:50am, 5 May 2012
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YES!! :)
Foxy Davy
Foxy Davy
May 2012
10:51am, 5 May 2012
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If the interest is there I'm sure I can sort one out for folks :)

About This Thread

Maintained by rf_fozzy
I'm interested in what people think about them - do you do them? How do you run them

Advice from Gobi:

5 miles @ MP + 60-90( time to get loose so start close to 90 and work down)
5 miles @ MP + 45-60
5 miles @ MP + 30-45
4 miles @ MP
1 mile however you like
1 mile cool down

The 1 mile cool down came into force as I discovered coaching nobody wants to back off at 19miles and look like they have blown up so we invented the go race the last mile and then do a cool down rule
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