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Aug 2013
9:41am, 2 Aug 2013
69,431 posts
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santababy
I did fling and Cateran in year i was building up - its fine if you're doing it for experience rather than racing. I dont do Cateran now as its too close to WHW race but plenty people have done both but i tend to go with Ians recomendations (and Donny tihs yr)
agree re- cost, reckon it can cost about £800 if you add everything together. There's ways of cutting that ie- i get a hotel room on the friday but its not *essential* Some folk know they'll be out the 2nd night so need need hotel for Saturday but i need saturday night rooms for me & crew. And i guess you dont have to stay the sunday night so you could save more but then you miss out on everyones tales of woe/delight and all the camaraderie in pub
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Aug 2013
9:47am, 2 Aug 2013
20,618 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Absolutely sants - I prob would skip the Fri night hotel (though that has been awesome plan for you and your team in the past) but Sat night is a must for me and crew (hope to at least be getting some kip before the Morrison's breakfast at 10am!) and Sun night def want to stay over and enjoy the craic.
I'm hoping my lovely missus will stay for the Sat and Sun nights too, though I won't expect her to crew, as I think for a non-ultra person it would be too stressful for her to have to rush to get to checkpoints and to see me in bits, if that's the state I'm in. Need proper rock hard runner mates for that bizness! :-)G
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Aug 2013
9:53am, 2 Aug 2013
69,432 posts
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santababy
you do 
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Aug 2013
10:18am, 2 Aug 2013
33,070 posts
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LorraineS
hire a campervan?
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Aug 2013
11:20am, 2 Aug 2013
69,433 posts
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santababy
hahahahaha
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Aug 2013
12:53pm, 2 Aug 2013
5,663 posts
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flip
I'm with you on the cost , that's why Lakeland and hardmoors come up at good value. that said , neither have the same feel after and missing the Sunday night would be missing a huge part of the whw race scene for me.
on the training front I've been reading Stuart mills stuff lately (the Lakeland 100 winner (at the age of 50 )and 6th in utmb couple years ago ) and it's very interesting stuff . he only does about 34 miles a week , tries enjoy every run and doesn't believe you need to do hill reps .he's just written his views on the invalidity of marathon negative splits & lots of other. whether you agree or not , he makes his arguments well and you can hardly knock his achievements .
it does go to prove one thing though in my book and that's that there are many ways to achieve your goals and few absolve rights.
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Aug 2013
12:59pm, 2 Aug 2013
16,574 posts
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KTM94P
Stuart would be quicker with better pacing. Charlie Sharpe is a far better role model.
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Aug 2013
1:02pm, 2 Aug 2013
33,071 posts
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LorraineS
I was meaning for Happy :-)G rather than you, teenybash
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Aug 2013
1:23pm, 2 Aug 2013
69,435 posts
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santababy
aah ok
Stuart mills is knob imho, after reading the blog where he ran with Jez bragg for first bit of fling one yr and kept letting him open all the gates it made my blood boil. then he stayed with JohnK night before another fling & didnt recognise him next day? wtf lol
still, he is good runner and cant take away that.
goes to show how different strokes for different folks etc, one size certainly does not fit all
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Aug 2013
3:25pm, 2 Aug 2013
7,246 posts
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Boab
Stuart Mills seems a half decent runner. His 34 miles a week has been going for nearly 40 years, so he is a very experienced runner with a lot of miles in his legs. Currently running 34 miles a week, but could have been running 100+ in his 30's? Who knows.
Anyway, his post about positive splits in marathons doesn't really tell us anything we don't already know IMHO. He does quote a lot of studies that point to increased effort over the marathon distance. Eh, we all knew that surely. Regardless of the type of split, you are going to require a greater effort in the second half of the race probably down to the things he lists, muscle fatigue, muscle damage, cardiac drift etc etc. This is not news.
He also states that the majority of the runners he looked at positive split. There is no data on how these individuals felt during the race, what was their state of mind, what affected their race. From speaking with those non elite runners who have negative split in a marathon, they often say it was the best race of their life, probably because they finished strong. I could almost guarantee that they had cardiac drift in the second half, suffered approriate muscle damage etc etc.
What I take from his post on positive splits is that if you want to run a marathon to the best of your ability, put the training in and run a NEGATIVE SPLIT (like the elites do)!!!!!
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