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Jan 2014
8:44pm, 21 Jan 2014
9,124 posts
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DerbyTup
I've never visited Hadrian's Wall but the rough ground on the likes of old cam Roads would be ideal L100 training
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Jan 2014
11:24pm, 21 Jan 2014
10 posts
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01
I've covered the entire length of Hadrian's Wall, and wouldn't recommend it (certainly not in Winter). The bit in Northumberland National Park I loved (vaguely, between Gilsland and Chollerford), tough underfoot without too much mud or tarmac, lot of short steep ups and downs, and feels somewhat epic running alongside one of the more visible bits of the Wall. The rest is just too much tarmac (especially on the sections nearest the coast) or just too much mud and cows and sheep (everywhere else), and not actually much Wall at all.
But I'm no Time Team fan; I'm sure there's lots there for those interested in that kind of thing 
Looking forward to checking out some Dales Green Lanes at the weekend!
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Jan 2014
11:30pm, 21 Jan 2014
11 posts
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01
And, to drag the thread vaguely back to where it should be ..
.. I'm finding the thing that's helping me most lately is doing very long stuff. I can't imagine it's doing my any physical benefit whatsoever, but mentally, the idea of spending a lot of time on my feet is much less daunting, and I'm very quickly learning a lot more fuelling and hydration, keeping warm, self sufficiency, all the 'soft' stuff that isn't so much about the number of miles you churn out each week, but how well prepared you can be mentally. Of course, I'm just experimenting here .. no science!
Interested to hear whether other ultra runners have a very long run in their schedules, and how they deal with them.
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Jan 2014
8:01am, 22 Jan 2014
21,677 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
What do you mean by very long 01? And why wouldn't it be physically beneficial?
My target is a 53 mile, 7000 ft climb race. My max long run will be 34, max back to back is 57, max week is 70. Very little speed work though I am introducing some, as advised to do so. But mostly it's lots of longer runs, slow, time on feet.
Do you mean for a 50, you'd do a 50 mile traingin run? Or for a 100, you'd do an 80 mile training run? If so, I was told that most folk would do an event as "training" to build up, but rarely do e.g. an 80 miler as training out by themselves. But if you've got the strength (physical and mental) and can do it safely, why not. Sounds great! :-)G
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Jan 2014
8:08am, 22 Jan 2014
9,139 posts
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DerbyTup
Long LDWA events etc make great training runs. For a start you don't have to think of a route and refreshments are laid on. The problem with very long training runs is recovery. 30 to 40 miles absolute tops for most mortals I would have thought
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Jan 2014
9:05am, 22 Jan 2014
2,890 posts
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Northern Exile
I'd agree that most folk do an event in a build up to a major race, but I think you have to be realistic: A 100 mile event is going to be something that you do on a one-off basis, perhaps annually (perhaps once in a lifetime?) so the best you can do is to build up your endurance and fitness within the parameters of time and will that you have available.
By that I mean that an 80-mile training run is not going to be a feasible option for most - Killian Jornet maybe! It might sound great to HG, but to me it sounds like something that would ultimately require a long recovery period and be self-defeating.
In saying this, I realise I'm on rocky ground .... I have scheduled in a number of increasingly longer races leading up to the Lakeland 50 and my goal for that race is to get round in better shape (ideally sub-12) than I did last year, the goal being for it to be a last long training run prior to my (unexpected) appearance in the UTMB. I can't predict what will happen in that race, I think that I will get round, but 108 miles and 38,800 feet of climb are quite a challenge. I don't think I will be running much in September.
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Jan 2014
9:08am, 22 Jan 2014
9,141 posts
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DerbyTup
Don't overlook the 39k climb NE. The cols are huge. You can be climbing for 2 or 3 hours. Descents are steep and don't let anyone tell you it's a trail race
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Jan 2014
11:08am, 22 Jan 2014
5,811 posts
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flip
The cols are huge but the terrain much easier than lakeland. The average finishing times are quite similar . Good luck with UTMB NE, its an amazing experience. I could only liken it to the running version of The Tour.
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Jan 2014
11:36am, 22 Jan 2014
5,744 posts
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mrs shanksi
I always remember what Loon Dod told me back in 2009 when he persuaded me to try ultras: don't do too many runs over 30 miles as it isn't good for the body re recovery. I started my ultra career by running a marathon in Oct 2009, LD persuaded me I could do the Fling (53 miles) in April 2010. He very kindly created a new race to fit in to the training schedule which was the D33 which became my first ultra but I treated it as a training run for the Fling. In the build up to the D33 I did long runs of 20, 24 and 28 miles.
33 miles was the furthest I'd run then I did the Fling. As some folk (DT?) have mentioned on here, you get through the big jump in mileage with self-belief I think. I like doing races as training because it gives you a goal ie the medal/t shirt at the end. I'm not one for big back to backs as I don't have time with 3 kids and shanksi who also needs to get a long run in every weekend.
01 - It sounds like you have the right idea and you will be fine. I think things like doing Munros/ hillwalking for 12 hours are great training for ultras too as it's time on feet that counts.
NE - good luck with the UTMB. I had the points to enter that race but I feel it's a step too far for me at the moment. Plus it must be quite expensive and I need to get a job!
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Jan 2014
11:41am, 22 Jan 2014
2,893 posts
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Northern Exile
I had 9 points from three events and felt like it would be a travesty not to use them - I never really expected to get in, how foolish of me
And yes it was expensive. With the registration fee it's cost me 237 euros so far
Hey, was Loch Ness in 2009 your first marathon? That's where H and I met you wasn't it?
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