The Environment Thread :-)
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Feb 2021
9:04am, 5 Feb 2021
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HappyG(rrr)
That's terrible that they just redirect their investment into another polluting and damaging product. We need to find ways to penalise that sort of activity. Simplest would just be to tax the companies producing polluting products, make new plastic, oil, gas etc. hugely expensive to sell so unattractive? And on registered companies, again, another nuance is that they could be a 10 year plus company, but only get into a specific technology (solar PV, ground source heating etc.) on an opportunistic basis and when subsidies go, they pull out. |
Feb 2021
9:28am, 5 Feb 2021
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jacdaw
They've gotta do something with all that oil, HappyG! More on the Cumbrian coal mine from Mike Berners-Lee: twitter.com Still seems to be major assumption about how quickly we will change commercial steel production, but on the whole it looks like a bad idea. It probably is just about jobs. I'm suspicious the government might change its mind and pull the plug on it. |
Feb 2021
11:54pm, 6 Feb 2021
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run free
Fossil free steel... it seems the Swedes are leading on this. Converting their steel production from a furnance to an electric arc and powered by renewable energy (doesn't say whether that is nuclear, solar, wind). SSAB will have their US operations providing fossil free steel by 2026: ssab.com For more details about the system see the PDFs here: hybritdevelopment.com Have uploaded an image from the latter source |
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Feb 2021
12:00am, 7 Feb 2021
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run free
And people will not stop flying..... airbus are developing hydrogen fueled aircrafts for 2035 airbus.com |
Feb 2021
7:25am, 7 Feb 2021
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MarkyMarkMark (3M)
Moments like this in quite proud of who I work for.... edie.net 2050 still seems a long way off, but the 3 year start date is fairly agressive to make changes in financial services/pension funds and all that. 
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Feb 2021
7:26am, 7 Feb 2021
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MarkyMarkMark (3M)
Grr. "Moments like this*I'm* quite proud" etc!
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Feb 2021
8:38am, 7 Feb 2021
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JRitchie
Hydrogen is getting more noise and it is seen as the potential answer for hard to abate carbon intensive sectors like aircraft, shipping and steel. Technology wise it’s a number of years behind solar and wind. The theory is there (On production) as is the practice but scaling up and getting the economics for it to work, and innovation creating the demand is the tough nut. Excellent summary of where we are from woodMac here. woodmac.com |
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Feb 2021
8:46am, 7 Feb 2021
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JRitchie
Re earlier chat about plastics. I agree with everyone in the end result but I think that the solution is better driven through regulation. Some plastics are important / essential (my sons insulin delivery system for starters) but others (supermarket and retail packaging) are not. Government has the power to regulate out plastics - paying 10p for a Tesco’s bag is not a disincentive but a small annoyance to most. Putting up tax to make it 15p won’t have the desired effect.
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Feb 2021
5:41pm, 7 Feb 2021
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HappyG(rrr)
Agree we need more robust legislation to effectively "outlaw" plastics for anything other than medicine or safety.
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Feb 2021
6:01pm, 7 Feb 2021
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Rosehip
I assume you mean single-use plastics, G - otherwise what on earth are we going to wear on our feet to run?
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