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Nov 2020
11:18am, 7 Nov 2020
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KinkyS
My recent commute 
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Nov 2020
11:35am, 7 Nov 2020
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Big_G
KinkyS, that looks/sounds great! When I said mine are 10s, they are a lot slower when I get out on the South West Coast Path. Then I don't really even look at the pace at all. In fact, I don't look at my pace generally anyway as all I have displayed on my watch are distance and HR (except when I do a session or a race). Generally though I run on roads or good trails.
Here's a pic from the summer on the SWCP. 18 miles, nearly 3500ft of ascent, averaging about 12:30min/miles
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Nov 2020
11:39am, 7 Nov 2020
4,864 posts
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Windsor Wool
spectacular KS, very jealous. Given the water level it also looks like it never rains up there in the Peaks!! (are you Peaks or further north?).
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Nov 2020
12:03pm, 7 Nov 2020
17,864 posts
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KinkyS
The Calder Valley, South Pennines If you look closely you can just about see Stoodley Pike in the background.
That pic was end of September- it's a bit wetter up there now!
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Nov 2020
12:05pm, 7 Nov 2020
17,865 posts
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KinkyS
That's my kind of run Big_G - stunning 
For that kind of run my Garmin displays ascent and descent
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Nov 2020
7:01pm, 7 Nov 2020
1,326 posts
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Marchbanks
Lovely views š
Big_G I feel your frustration being fitter but not able to gauge it with a race. Hopefully soon.
20 mile planned tomorrow, although Iāve started following P&D this week, I would be on the recovery week but because Iāve done two 18milers, Iāve followed the week prior the recovery week and will do 20 instead of 18. Just unsure whether to add some fast miles (8-10M @ target MP) into the run tomorrow as I didnāt do any in my last two long runs.
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Nov 2020
7:51pm, 7 Nov 2020
12,586 posts
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larkim
I'd look at what the next few days are planned as, and if they're not too hard then 8 or 10 MP miles would be fine.
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Nov 2020
8:12pm, 7 Nov 2020
4,865 posts
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Windsor Wool
And Iād also look back on what youāve done in the last few days and not try to cram sessions, particularly if your target race is a while away. I canāt see many reasons to peak at the moment and Iād see 20 w 10 as a peaking session!
Fantastic KS. I donāt suppose many people get frustrated at living in Windsor but I am the exception!!
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Nov 2020
10:28am, 8 Nov 2020
2,625 posts
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B Rubble
We can all get a bit obsessive and hung up about pace canāt we.
PtB described it very well, in that most training plans are written by professional coaches for sub 2:20 and elite runners. What we need to take from these plans are the purpose of each session, i.e. to build strength, stamina, speed endurance etc. Most of us learn where we are lacking, what injures us, what we enjoy doing and build our training around this, Bazo is a brilliant example of adapting his training to achieve a goal and we should all learn from this. Speed is irrelevant for each session providing we focus on the results. Artificially calling 7:20 your MP then bombing to 9:00 m/m in the last 5 miles of a marathon (most of us have been there) shows that the pace was probably wrong.
Nice commute KS.
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Nov 2020
10:52am, 8 Nov 2020
17,866 posts
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KinkyS
Well put BR. I found over many years that most plans are too fast for me, possibly because I have a physical job so I go into every session already a bit fatigued from a day's work or maybe just because I'm naturally an endurance monster. I do better on higher mileage, longer long runs and doing almost all my runs very slowly, with just a regular parkrun or occasional race to keep me sharp.
I also discovered that my heart rate range and therefore my pace range is very tight. I don't have a huge difference between my 5k and marathon heart rate for example. I gave up on HR training years ago because even a brisk walk would push me into a higher zone and I refused to believe that I was so unfit that my easy runs should actual be walks!
Most coaches would look at my training and say it's all junk miles and no quality but I had reasonable success with it
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