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Jan 2023
1:59pm, 25 Jan 2023
20,701 posts
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richmac
It's ridiculous to baulk at German manufactured tanks being used by Ukrainian forces against the Russians, because of a war that ended over 70 years ago.
They won't be sporting swasikas and crewed by the SS for crying out loud, It's just making use of the best available equipment.
People throwing this idea that some how it's morally wrong are either Putin fanboys or seriously need to give their head a wobble. FFS
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Jan 2023
2:11pm, 25 Jan 2023
8,299 posts
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Fields
The German constitution says it’s for defensive purposes only. A legal grey area I think best left to the experts not the armchair generals with the bravery of being out of range
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Jan 2023
2:17pm, 25 Jan 2023
20,703 posts
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richmac
The German constitution says it’s for defensive purposes only. A legal grey area I think best left to the experts not the armchair generals with the bravery of being out of range
*sigh* 1) that would be the German army, not German made equipment. The German army may well have no involvement in this.
2) Even if, which it does not include arms manufacture then supplying Ukraine with this equipment, seeing as they are the ones invaded is ... checks notes.... for defensive purposes.
So no, not a grey area at all unless you feel Putins illegal annexations are legitimate, do you think that?
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Jan 2023
2:17pm, 25 Jan 2023
29,508 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Or, indeed, the folks who think the best solution is for Ukraine to hoist the white flag.
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Jan 2023
3:37pm, 25 Jan 2023
3,765 posts
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GeneHunt59
Not sure what the best solution is, but definitely not Ukraine hoisting the white flag. Think we have some scary times ahead though when Russia finally accepts it can't win a 'conventional' war.
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Jan 2023
3:44pm, 25 Jan 2023
9,405 posts
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Northern Exile
Sigh. Talk about stating the bloody obvious...
When I visited Germany in the 70s and 80s, a lot of (West) German family conversation was about their real fear that Russian tanks could come across the border at the drop of a hat and how they could be well into West Germany within hours. I suspect that for a lot of people those memories and fears of the Cold War remain. I wonder too whether the public opinion now is affected by the fact that a large part of the population lived in the DDR for many years and may not have quite the same western view of all this that we think they might have. The Fulda gap. This is a major change in German post-war doctrine, sending equipment to war zones. Hope it’s worth the fall out
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Jan 2023
4:08pm, 25 Jan 2023
8,301 posts
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Fields
Or, indeed, the folks who think the best solution is for Ukraine to hoist the white flag.
The best solution is peace
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Jan 2023
4:16pm, 25 Jan 2023
8,302 posts
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Fields
unless you feel Putins illegal annexations are legitimate, do you think that?
No.
I’ll concede to your undoubted expertise on the German constitution too. All these escalations are dangerous for the planet. Both Russia and NATO have imperialistic designs here
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Jan 2023
4:57pm, 25 Jan 2023
58,161 posts
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Derby Tup
I get the feeling one of the two parties designs are a bit stronger than the other
Rambo is my usual go to when a scrap breaks out and it wasn’t NATO building up a huge army round Russia while all the time denying it
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Jan 2023
5:16pm, 25 Jan 2023
20,708 posts
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richmac
All these escalations are dangerous for the planet.
*sigh* once more, maybe in crayon the only escalation was when Russia invaded Ukraine owing to its leaders paranoia or congenital madness. inching towards kittening on 2 threads
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