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Feb 2021
11:58am, 23 Feb 2021
237 posts
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anthonyj89
I have the Nike Dragonfly's. Only done part of one track session in them due to lockdowns.
They were slower over the 400m reps I was doing (around 65/66s) vs 64/65 compared with an aggressive "traditional" spike, but I think they will sing in the last mile of a 5000m.
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Feb 2021
11:59am, 23 Feb 2021
238 posts
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anthonyj89
Will hopefully be able to do a full comparison on 30 March!
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Feb 2021
12:20pm, 23 Feb 2021
33,352 posts
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SPR
In theory the more aggressive spike should be faster on shorter reps other things being equal and the new victory looks more aggressive than the dragonfly to me.
I did think about getting the MD800s a couple of years back but decided against it as my achilles was grumbling already and it wasn't worth the risk it would make it worse.
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Feb 2021
12:22pm, 23 Feb 2021
33,353 posts
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SPR
Dragonfly also looks too cushioned for the shorter distances but then the Vaporfly looks to cushioned for fast running as well, lol.
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Feb 2021
12:28pm, 23 Feb 2021
35,472 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Has anyone tried the Zoom X Invincible or Zoom Winflo 7 seem to be good everyday shoe.
Plus they have Zoom Rival Fly 2 on offer.
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Feb 2021
12:32pm, 23 Feb 2021
33,354 posts
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SPR
Keep miss the second o on too!
I don't run in Nikes HOD, I'm presuming neither of those are supershoes or their closely related cousins?
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Feb 2021
12:33pm, 23 Feb 2021
35,473 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
More sort of distance cousins mate.
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Feb 2021
12:37pm, 23 Feb 2021
9,489 posts
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jda
I just want 2:44:59, I don't care how many technical innovations and bending of the rules it takes. I probably draw the line at an actual short-cut of the course or hopping on a bike though 
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Feb 2021
12:40pm, 23 Feb 2021
91 posts
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fuzzyduck79
I've run in Winflo, they feel ok but a touch on the firm side. I bought one pair and they didn't quite make the cut for me, so they are stuck on 20ish miles but I might go back and try them again
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Feb 2021
12:57pm, 23 Feb 2021
92 posts
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fuzzyduck79
The time differences offered by new track spikes seem so marginal that I'm not sure they will be as controversial (as vaporfly have been) among the wider community. I expect a lot of chatter about them when WRs start tumbling everywhere at the next major global championships, and then a collective shrug.
A decent (but not elite) runner doing 8:30-9:00 for 3000m might see 10 seconds improvement at best - not in the same ballpark as what similar level runners have been doing to their times on the road
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