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Aug 2017
9:45am, 4 Aug 2017
27,051 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Lol larks, I have exactly same challenge this weekend regarding parkrunning too hard tomorrow risking making Sunday's 16 with 12 at MP unnecessarily more difficult!
You must train way harder than me Crash. Even after the hardest of interval type sessions, I'm usually ready for snackage within half an hour! Or I'm a gannet.  G
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Aug 2017
10:04am, 4 Aug 2017
2,482 posts
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larkim
So if we've got the same challenge, are we resolving it in the same way??!?
Hunts - you are telling me exactly what my head is telling me. My (competitive) heart however...
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Aug 2017
10:10am, 4 Aug 2017
905 posts
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Crash Hamster
Nope, my gut is a major weak point; its two positions are 'FEED ME ALL THE PIES' or 'IF YOU FEED ME AT ALL, I WILL VOMIT.' It's probably why I'm not good at very long stuff and struggle at anything over 3 hours. I can't do the '3 gels an hour' thing, let alone eat solid food. I really am going to spend the next 9 months working on this, it's got to be the easiest improvement I can make! It's not a thing I've trained before, so there has to be scope to get better, both after training and during races.
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Aug 2017
10:34am, 4 Aug 2017
3,071 posts
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Windsor Wool
big picture Lark, Happy. Or move the MP session to next weekend and do a longer, slower run on Sunday.
I destroyed my legs running downhill last night. I hate running downhill, hate it.
I get something along the lines of exercise-induced lactose intolerance. You can google it, it's one of those things that's claimed to be real. When I up the miles I can get quite sick if I'm not careful. I basically have to cut out milk, yoghurt, lattes, all those nice things that you might have as part of recovery meals.
Fortunately, there's never a time where I can't tolerate crisps. Even the family-sized bags aren't an issue....
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Aug 2017
10:41am, 4 Aug 2017
27,053 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
You are both right WW and larks. And I'm blasting parkrun anyway!
But do as I say, not as I do! Remember, I'm not "proper" training at the mo, so don't follow anything I do! 3:15 should be very doable for me, 7:20 MP should, even for 12 miles, should be a "skoosh". So in my arrogance, I'm not going to "rest" for it.
The other thing is that I've missed some long and mid long runs and speed work in the program already. So I'm "already rested" more than I should be!
Crash - have you seen a nutritionist? Maybe you're intolerant to something? Or maybe there's something that your stomach would be happier / happy at all with during and immediately after running? A running club mate of mine kept puking at long races for years, then eventually went to do with tummy probs and turns out he's got Chron's or Coeliac or something and was nothing to do with his training. Changed his diet, plus some drugs (I think) and he can fuel fine for running now. ? Good luck, G
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Aug 2017
11:17am, 4 Aug 2017
2,483 posts
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larkim
We'll see...
I did a 19:58 parkrun in June with a 21 miler the next day without too much issue, given that I'm on a "low mileage" plan (in comparison to most others on the various P&D routes) I get a fair share of rest and the lure of a course PB is strong. Plenty of time to think about it as I cruise down the M6/M5 tomorrow morning anyway.
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Aug 2017
12:22pm, 4 Aug 2017
11,650 posts
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Bazoaxe
I agree with WW, if you have an MP session on Sunday then Saturday should not be an effort session. I know that my Sunday run is impacted if I have raced parkrun. I can still do it, but its slower and harder and HR maybe a wee bit elevated. I couldn't do MP miles the day after a Parkrun
that said I once followed a Hal Higdon plan which had 10 MP miles on a Saturday and an LR sunday and worked on the basis that both were beneficial as you learn MP and do an LR on tired legs.
Injury update - still not running, the ankle is still at the same level it was on Tue, so massively improved, but I can still feel a twinge. having started to rest I don't want to resume too early, so another couple of rest days at least.
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Aug 2017
12:44pm, 4 Aug 2017
2,484 posts
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larkim
Wise and experienced advice received, understood and logged.
I do have an option to defer the long run to Monday am as I'm on holiday, but swapping to the next weekend won't work for a variety of other reasons - a week on Monday I've had to pencil in a 17 mile long run after first day back at work, and whilst I can definitely manage to plod that I think 10 MP miles in that would be a disaster waiting to happen.
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Aug 2017
2:11pm, 4 Aug 2017
1,483 posts
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FergusG
Better to rest it for longer than necessary Baz, than to push it too soon and aggravate things! Assessing when to resume does tend to mess with your head though!
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Aug 2017
2:20pm, 4 Aug 2017
27,056 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Best of luck Bazo. Hope it feels completely better soon.
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