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Sub 3Hr Marathon

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rhb May 2024 11:41pm, 13 May 2024 2,263 posts	Quote 1 pin rhb P.s. can't remember if I mentioned already, the last 5 miles joined the 2h15m+ pace HM runners which made for interestingly hectic weaving through the crowds due to the pace difference.
Mark J 🇳🇿 May 2024 12:09am, 14 May 2024 2,152 posts	Quote Pin Mark J 🇳🇿 rhb wrote:P.s. can't remember if I mentioned already, the last 5 miles joined the 2h15m+ pace HM runners which made for interestingly hectic weaving through the crowds due to the pace difference. That would have been fun (reads, slightly frustrating).
jda May 2024 7:48am, 14 May 2024 17,059 posts	Quote Pin jda My impression is that some pacers aren’t very good at their job, if they are intrinsically much faster runners they won’t need to pace sensibly to hit their goals. Whereas someone right at the limit has to be careful with pace, especially where hills are concerned.
Little Miss Happy May 2024 8:34am, 14 May 2024 7,155 posts	Quote Pin Little Miss Happy Another good reason to do it yourself and not rely on someone else.
jda May 2024 9:29am, 14 May 2024 17,063 posts	Quote Pin jda I've generally found a small pod of people to tag onto going at the right speed. It all falls apart around 30k of course, then it's just everyone for themselves with runners going forwards, backwards, sideways and sometimes just stopped at the roadside. Once I found a group going at slightly the wrong speed, which I didn't realise for a while. That didn't work out so well In a smaller marathon you might struggle to find enough company I suppose, knowing there was a group at about the right pace could be helpful.
FergusG May 2024 6:41pm, 14 May 2024 5,634 posts	Quote Pin FergusG Going back to the discussion (on Page 2915 - 2916) about the wonky 1st Place 2:42:23 M60 result at London. His start time has now been amended, and the missing early splits are now listed too. He now shows as 3:27:09, and 139th in his age category. results.tcslondonmarathon.com
Charlesvdw May 2024 8:25pm, 14 May 2024 258 posts	Quote Pin Charlesvdw More in line with his previous results.
rhb May 2024 9:05am, 15 May 2024 2,265 posts	Quote Pin rhb Mark J 🇳🇿 it must've been not fun for the HM runners either, I'd be shoulders tight waiting for folks to buzz by. I was shouting ahead so not to startle folks, but that isn't ideal at 175+bpm HR. sjsairey I had a quick chat with the pacers as we yo-yo'd they were nice guys & strong runners and I concluded they were running well within their comfort zone and their plan to bank time ahead of the big hill was sensible, but that the effort / recovery cycle they were putting the group through wouldn't be sustainable for most.
Miser May 2024 8:54pm, 15 May 2024 302 posts	Quote Pin Miser Intrigued by the resurrection of Hadd training. I’d been just about to try and embark on this before I fell out of running 10 years ago and have been trying to plan a base and consistency phase for the summer before the next marathon build up. I’ve always wondered whether the big silent bit in Hadd was just slowing everything down enough to maximise volume (mileage) or whether the initially sub-sub LT stuff was magic sauce. Considering trying a 10 week HR based easy base block pre a 12 week marathon build up for Abingdon. Question is whether a nod to summer speed through a weekly interval session makes sense, or just heavy on the Hadd HR stuff and the various 5/10k races which I’ve planned. Regardless, I think my main priority has to be just building a good run of consistent mileage - which I’ve not really managed for the last 7-8 months.. Any collective wisdom/opinion? Or general Hadd thoughts?
jda May 2024 9:00pm, 15 May 2024 17,071 posts	Quote Pin jda I don’t know anything about Hadd but have always done a 18 week plan usually from a pretty low base. You certainly don’t need much speed work in marathon training IMO, my intervals have always been based about threshold training rather than anything properly fast.

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