So who won the tour from 1999 to 2005

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The Teaboy Mar 2018 10:52am, 6 Mar 2018 15,103 posts	0 The Teaboy And Dwain Chambers, and David Millar.
Derby Tup Mar 2018 11:28am, 6 Mar 2018 25,260 posts	0 Derby Tup Guilty, the lot of ‘em
Dai Bank Mar 2018 11:30am, 6 Mar 2018 4,825 posts	0 Dai Bank There,s a couple things I think worth considering Wiggins had TUEs so was legal as far as the UCI was concerned. Was the system "gamed", I suspect so... Given the UCI licence has an "ethics" element how will this report affect the renewal of Sky licence as this report alleges ethics breach. Contrat with the Astana etics renewal issues a few years ago. Astana went to CAS iirc and got an overrule. This might be the bigger problem to overcome for Sky imho but who knows. In 2012 I put a poster on my office wall of the 2012 TdF winner, I have now taken it down. This action should worry Bradley more than anything else. If a 61 year old has lost faith how will a teen cyclist regard a ( former?) Cycling hero lol
BanjoBax Mar 2018 11:35am, 6 Mar 2018 4,457 posts	0 BanjoBax How many times did Linford get caught?
Chrisull Mar 2018 12:02pm, 6 Mar 2018 12,329 posts	0 Chrisull Ok as far as I see it, this seems to be what happened in 2011. Late May - Sky apply for a TUE for triamcinolone for Brad (or at very least fill in paperwork for application - that is known they did) June - The Dauphine starts - Brad doing ok, but not winning it at beginning Early June - Jiffy bag sent for - probably contains triamcinolone June 11th - Jiffy bag arrives - perhaps in expectancy that the clearance for the TUE is pending (is that how it works? Or does a new TUE is to be made) and that Brad is suffering from allergies Same time - TUE doesn't come through/or they change their mind about using it, so they don't use triamcinolone, turn to nebulised fluimucil to treat allergy instead Brad wins Dauphine 28th June Apply for TUE before TDF and get it July 2011 - TDF In this way I can see that Brad thinks he's clean (he sort of is), Sky think they've done nothing wrong, (they sort of haven't). They're using an obsolete drug to treat a condition, but its side effect is weight loss without power loss, so it's like killing two birds with one stone. However the rest of the world go that's unethical - and they'd be right. Sky know they've crossed the line really (hence the obfuscation), hence they can't reveal what's in the jiffy bag because it is the one thing that really shows that in the past they haven't been using it for a medical need - even if in this case they are (they already had it in the stocks - as paperwork has shown), because otherwise why have supplies of it in amounts for more than one rider that you can just ferry over at the drop of a hat? Out of competition it isn't wrong, it hasn't broken any rules of course, in competition it requires a TUE. It is an unholy mess.
larkim Mar 2018 12:27pm, 6 Mar 2018 4,078 posts	0 larkim Ohorughu, Radcliffe accusations etc - fine if you're wearing a tinfoil hat, but in the task world that's just classic Let's Run nonsense.
Dai Bank Mar 2018 2:31pm, 6 Mar 2018 4,826 posts	0 Dai Bank I would just add that from what I have read elsewhere it seems the Chair of DCMS has allegedly had some issues with ethics in the past. There is a web site detailing the possible transgressions of the MP for Folkestone. I suggest that one has to be blemish free if one seeks to accuse others...
Chrisull Mar 2018 2:36pm, 6 Mar 2018 12,330 posts	0 Chrisull Let's put Radcliffe aside, Ohoroughu did miss 3 tests. Mitigating circumstances or whatever, the point is that's why you're allowed to miss 1 or 2. Missing 3 was and is highly dubious. Ok let's have a little thought experiment. SAY... (and it will never happen) the UCI announced Britain will be banned from track and road cycling because they say "proof of institutionalised doping". They pointed to Millar, Hayles, Tiernan Locke, Froome, Wiggins, Sean Yates and Sciandri (Italian turned Brit who was a client of Ferrari), and said because of the close ties with Sky and with British cycling and whistleblowers they had evidence of this (note this is NOT happening, it's a premise). How would we feel? Would we say "ok we need to get our house in order?" or like Russia would we scream unfair? Don't we think that unprecedented amount of medals arouses suspicion. Say Russia won that many at every Olympics and World championships would we be surprised? And what happens when one country starts to dominate in a single echelon of sport. Jamaica in sprinting (nearly every big name except for Bolt has failed a test - Asafa Powell, Yohann Blake, Nesta Carter etc). China a couple of decades back. Kenya and Ethiopia in track and distance running (WADA discovered in 2016 Ethiopia does virtually no drugs testing). deadspin.com Isn't it all a bit dodgy? Any time one country dominates, we should be asking questions. It is not wrong to do so.
CharlieP Mar 2018 4:19pm, 6 Mar 2018 1,032 posts	0 CharlieP That's the second time I've seen 'Let's Run' referred to today, in different threads. Er, wossat then?
Wriggling Snake Mar 2018 4:37pm, 6 Mar 2018 17,902 posts	0 Wriggling Snake Allan Wells anyone?