Rugby World Cup

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Oct 2023
8:30am, 29 Oct 2023
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Pothunter
I’m not saying the overall result would have been different but on both form and ranking Ireland and France didn’t deserve to go out in the quarters (and neither would NZ or SA had the results been different).

Overall a great tournament with some of the best games I’ve ever seen (specifically the two top quarters). Hope Australia can sort themselves out, and hope Fiji and the likes of Spain can continue their upward trajectory.
Oct 2023
8:37am, 29 Oct 2023
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Fields
I disagree about the draw, both Ireland and France played too much rugby in a knock out game and left points out there. They weren’t clinical enough. It just changed the weekend they were knocked out.
Oct 2023
8:43am, 29 Oct 2023
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Little Nemo
If you can't see the difference between losing a QF and a SF then we obviously have a totally different way of seeing things!

The only real advantage that I can cling to is that I'm a week on in my grieving process! ;-)
Oct 2023
8:53am, 29 Oct 2023
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Fields
There’s a difference in what week you pack up and go home, my point was their mindset in the game wasn’t right for a knockout match, turning down points on offer when they needed a perfect game.
jda
Oct 2023
9:24am, 29 Oct 2023
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jda
richmac, on the contrary IMO is demonstrated that 1-4 were a class apart and the next few were not competitive at that level. Scotland were particularly disappointing and the others didn’t show much at all. OK England did have one good game which they were unluckily to lose but with a more sensible draw both them and Arg would have (deservedly) been out in the quarters anyway.
Oct 2023
9:36am, 29 Oct 2023
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Little Nemo
Are you talking about France, Fields? I can't think of many points they missed out on, apart from the charged down conversion? Anyway, you can always find things to argue about in hindsight. On the day they made too many mistakes in the last 10 minutes and the SA bench was stronger. It was heartbreaking but SA played a better game.
Oct 2023
9:41am, 29 Oct 2023
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Cheg
There was some kicking for the corner rather than penalty kicks in the quarters I believe.

New Zealand did it in the final as well.

I’d like to look at the stats when Tier 1 sides play each other and kicking the 3 vs kicking for the corner and the points that produces.
Oct 2023
9:46am, 29 Oct 2023
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Cheeky’s Dad
If you can't see the difference between losing a QF and a SF then we obviously have a totally different way of seeing things!

I see your point Little Nemo It’s easier to say it makes no difference when you aren’t a supporter of either France or Ireland. I’m wondering whether I would have been happier being beaten by England in the semi than I was being beaten by Argentina in the quarters 😂

I’m not sure how the Ireland & France players would feel given they both had a realistic ambition of winning and it would be a brave journalist who asked the question so possibly we’ll never know 😁
Oct 2023
10:23am, 29 Oct 2023
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Little Nemo
Yeah, probably for the players it doesn't make much of a difference if you're comparing it with winning the whole thing, Cheeky’s Dad

Also do the players really want to play in the Bronze final? At the end of your career it might be nice to think you came 3rd but maybe you'd rather avoid it altogether.

I'm sure by the time the 6 Nations comes around I'll be at peace with it all! :-)
Oct 2023
10:40am, 29 Oct 2023
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Fields
Yeah a few times both France and Ireland went for the corner rather than taking the 3. Ireland I felt were far more culpable of this and their attacking play was one paced and sexton seemed to have gone lame. Ireland’s ex coach in the NZ coaching team was a big advantage. France definitely forced it too much in positions where a more safety conscious approach would have been better.

But you can analyse every decision and find one that was wrong to suit your argument. I would always be looking to kick the points when on offer though.

And while I’m a fan of neither team, I really wanted a France v Ireland final.

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