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Sep 2022
10:56am, 10 Sep 2022
1,953 posts
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Big_G
Of course, all that happened in seconds. But in some ways I think Wright is being generous to say it’s a racing incident as I don’t think Wright did anything wrong.
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Sep 2022
11:19am, 10 Sep 2022
38,222 posts
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SPR
Racing incident means no one did anything wrong or blameworthy anyway. The commissaires obviously thought the same.
I think Roglic would have been trying to contest the sprint (bonus seconds for third up) which was why he came back in when he did as Wright wasn't right on the wheel of third so he wouldn't have wanted to drop back there. If he didn't know Wright was there he'd have gone all the way in to take the wheel.
In Wright's interview post stage he actually says he was trying to come out and around btw. There definitely wasn't any room for that and if Roglic thinks that Wright moved out a bit (rather than his bike moving due to sprinting) then you can see why he'd be annoyed. I can't see any evidence he moved out but the guy ahead definitely did.
Wright also said in the post race interview that he didn't think they realised he was there (referring to the 5 man break) but Roglic technically shouldn't have know about any of them.
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Sep 2022
11:30am, 10 Sep 2022
1,954 posts
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Big_G
Yeah, I know a racing incident means no one at fault, but looking at it again, if anything I’d say Roglic is at fault. In the aftermath of the race I was also saying ‘racing incident’ as were the GCN commentators and the popular YouTubers etc, but Roglic coming out with his statement yesterday and having a closer look made me think that, if anything, Roglic got it wrong. As I say I’m a massive fan of his, but I’m just trying to be objective and I can’t really think why else he would be looking to cut across Wright (keeping in mind he was seemingly happy to let the other 3 go, knowing he wouldn’t win the sprint), except if he hadn’t realised Wright was there.
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Sep 2022
11:32am, 10 Sep 2022
38,223 posts
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SPR
The head on shot from the live coverage at the time is a good to watch now that you have seen other stuff. From behind at the start of the straight, it looks like Wright is moving in because Roglic is moving in but in reality he's just going for the wheel of the third guy. Pedersen starts drifting towards the centre after initially drifting towards the barriers and naturally everyone else follows apart from Roglic (still not sure if he's going in at that point or it's bike drift). They're so close there's not really a chance to react
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Sep 2022
11:33am, 10 Sep 2022
38,224 posts
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SPR
He wasn't letting them go, he just came off the lead out and I don't think he cut Wright off TBH, if he had, the accident happens earlier.
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Sep 2022
11:36am, 10 Sep 2022
38,225 posts
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SPR
Basically what I'm saying is if it was 10 man group, he wouldn't have let all 10 through, he just wasn't going to lead it out.
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Sep 2022
11:56am, 10 Sep 2022
1,955 posts
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Big_G
Fair enough  Wright hadn’t lost the wheel of the guy in front, so really he had nowhere to go, and from his point of view had the wheel. The JV statement is basically saying they think riders don’t use the brakes enough (“Not braking, but pushing through, for example. It doesn't surprise me because every rider has the will to win. I would like to say: brake and use your brains. It requires a change of behaviour, driven by awareness and consistent judging”), but I don’t see why Wright would have used the brakes in that instance. From that rear view image posted earlier, Wright was out of the saddle and about to start his sprint, and Wright’s front wheel looks to be marginally in front of Roglic’s.
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Sep 2022
12:18pm, 10 Sep 2022
38,226 posts
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SPR
The rear view image is from the video I posted. Wright got in front probably just before that pic (remember the video is a slow mo so gives a distorted view of how much time has passed). Jumbo's view is probably he shouldn't have gone through the gap (I disagree and if I didn't and have to also say Roglic shouldn't have come in when he did). As you say, bike racing and sprints is on the margins and I don't think anyone was doing anything that was dangerous at that point and in many occasions it would have just ended with a shoulder clash and that's it.
From the front on, Wright didn't initially follow the wheel (almost like he thought about trying to come up to third) as the pack drifted to the barrier but then went back in whereas the front three are in proper lockstep pretty much the whole time till it fully launches.
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Sep 2022
12:19pm, 10 Sep 2022
1,956 posts
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Big_G
GCN discussed it at the start of today’s show basically saying JV shouldn’t have released the statement and that Wright didn’t do anything wrong. Wright also interviewed on the show today and saying it’s an unfair statement from JV, and reiterating he thinks he didn’t do anything wrong.
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Sep 2022
12:19pm, 10 Sep 2022
38,227 posts
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SPR
*(I disagree and if I didn't I'd have to also say Roglic shouldn't have come in when he did)
To me they're basically two sides of the same coin.
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