1:24pm
1:24pm, 6 Mar 2025
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jda
Is there any basis for your belief larkim other than that it is convenient for you to think like that? What do you believe is the constitutional basis for DOGE's behaviour, including (but not limited to) termination of employment, refusal to make contractually-obliged payments, accessing tax and financial data of private citizens?
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1:27pm
1:27pm, 6 Mar 2025
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larkim
J2R wrote: rf_fozzy wrote:All of this is nonsense hysteria anyway. The focus needs to be on the damage he's doing here and now and not some wild conspiracy about what he might do in 3.5 years time. Part of the damage he and Musk are doing now is precisely this, systematically removing the guard rails that prevent him doing what he wants in 3.5 years time. I really don't see that. If, as jda suggests, DOGE's actions are unconstitutional and then as the various lawsuits will conclude one way or another and ultimately the "law" will be settled. But what guard rails are they really tilting at? Sacking judges? Expelling anyone from the military who isn't a MAGA faithful? Changing the SC make-up to only have full MAGA faithful in place? Terminating funding for handling elections? Sorry, I don't see it. |
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1:31pm
1:31pm, 6 Mar 2025
26,823 posts
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larkim
jda wrote: Is there any basis for your belief larkim other than that it is convenient for you to think like that? What do you believe is the constitutional basis for DOGE's behaviour, including (but not limited to) termination of employment, refusal to make contractually-obliged payments, accessing tax and financial data of private citizens? I'm saying that the constitution is still very much in play. Every single day things happen in the US which are unconstitutional. Some very small, some more significant. And then the legal system is the part of the constitution that comes into play to assert and impose the constitutional requirements. There's a legal cycle to go through which is the route where the constitution gets defended. If federal allocations and the cutting of them is found to be unconstitutional, the law will throw things back to the executive to reconsider and put through Congress. |
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1:45pm
1:45pm, 6 Mar 2025
18,554 posts
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jda
larkim wrote: But what guard rails are they really tilting at? Stacking the supreme court and replacing all those who have standing to bring cases, with placemen who won't. As I previously said, if the constitution is not upheld by the institutions tasked with doing so then it's been de facto overturned. |
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1:50pm
1:50pm, 6 Mar 2025
26,824 posts
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larkim
So how's that working out with the SC / USAID? On moral and govt reach grounds they have already got a sc on their side, but that's the fault of a flawed constitution allowing executive appointments. |
2:09pm
2:09pm, 6 Mar 2025
22,702 posts
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Chrisull
To get to 50+1, the Ds now need to win *all* the battleground states. Thanks fozzy for filling in the detail, and there's all sorts of reasons why individual senate races might buck a blue wave in the House too. Really the Dems need to get Susan Collins out of Maine, you feel that she's is like a lightweight republican that gives wavering centrists an excuse to vote Trump. If there was a hardline MAGA there I feel it would be more in play. But to make that happens Dems have to depose her first. |
2:26pm
2:26pm, 6 Mar 2025
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rf_fozzy
Chrisull wrote: To get to 50+1, the Ds now need to win *all* the battleground states. The Rs now have a massive inbuilt advantage virtually assuring them of Senate control most of the time. Thanks fozzy for filling in the detail, and there's all sorts of reasons why individual senate races might buck a blue wave in the House too. Really the Dems need to get Susan Collins out of Maine, you feel that she's is like a lightweight republican that gives wavering centrists an excuse to vote Trump. If there was a hardline MAGA there I feel it would be more in play. But to make that happens Dems have to depose her first. It doesn't really matter. Even if they won all the seats they have now, plus win the ones in states where they hold one senator (or Ind who caucuses with them), i.e. flip ME this year, PA (2030) and WI (2028), that still only gets them to 50 seats. Thus they need to also take one or both NC seats. And hold on to GA, MI, MN, AZ and NH. All of which could easily not re-elect a D. There is no path at present in any election for the Democrats to take back control of the senate. The political map has to be completely rewritten and the Ds become competitive in other states. But there's no evidence that that is happening and if anything, most Red states are swinging further away. |
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2:27pm
2:27pm, 6 Mar 2025
23,623 posts
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rf_fozzy
Most of the population might be Democrat supporting/Democrat leaning, but it is inefficiently distributed.
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2:28pm
2:28pm, 6 Mar 2025
5,876 posts
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J2R
I read a while back that officials who verified the election results had been sacked so that they could be replaced by Trump loyalists, although I can't find the actual story now. I just think the far right is much better prepared now than they were last time. During WWII, one of the successes of the Allied bombing campaign was in the attention to detail in, for example, bombing ball-bearing factories so that the larger parts, the tanks, etc., could not work properly. I see that as what is happening now - they're doing the small things, getting rid of the low level officials, etc., which very much influences the big picture long term.
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2:30pm
2:30pm, 6 Mar 2025
23,624 posts
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rf_fozzy
Most of the election deniers in most states lost - AZ if I recall correctly - was an outlier. Trump cannot sack these people - in most cases they are directly elected *state* officials. The amount of elected positions in the US is just completely bonkers. Never mind the idea of elected judges. |
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