5 Feb
3:02pm, 5 Feb 2025
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J2R
SPR, I think we're in a very different place from last time.
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5 Feb
3:13pm, 5 Feb 2025
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SPR
I'm presuming that wasn't supposed to be to me @J2R
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5 Feb
3:35pm, 5 Feb 2025
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larkim
It's an interesting opinion piece Chris. I'm still not convinced that the Constitution etc cannot handle Trump / Musk et al properly, but it's clear they are taking advantage of the ability to act now and risk get reined in later down the line by the courts etc. I still have long term faith in the checks / balances that limit what they can do, but short term damage can still be done which can have impacts which will be felt for a while. I'm sure I'll be accused of burying my head in the sand. Fortunately, all I can do is comment as I see things; my opinions count for nothing! |
5 Feb
3:43pm, 5 Feb 2025
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paulcook
larkim wrote: Fortunately, all I can do is comment as I see things; my opinions count for nothing! Unfortunately, similar to about 8199999996 of us. |
5 Feb
4:13pm, 5 Feb 2025
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Chrisull
I don't see how they can be handled. They hold the trifecta - Congress, Senate, Presidency AND the Supreme court. So any time a jumped up lawyer gets in the way, they bounce it upwards until they get the decision they want or the Supreme Court adjudicates on it. It's like a sprint until the midterms, break everything now, Democrats will only be able to start blocking meaningfully in 2 years time. A reminder convicted felon Donald Trump should already be in jail. Jack Smith had enough to put him away for years. Smith will now spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder fearing either a) arrest or b) a lone MAGA gunman nut
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5 Feb
4:25pm, 5 Feb 2025
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larkim
I suppose I still have some faith that despite the SC Rep dominance, it still isn't entirely a Trump court. And there are still Reps in both houses who are not Trump die hards or push overs; there are 4(?) current senators who didn't endorse Trump for example. That's not to say that he won't be able to get "his" way on many, many things but some of that is "just" democracy. I wonder if actually things get more tricky and unstable precisely at the point at which the Dems start to gain some power back through the mid-terms (fingers crossed that they make those in-roads). That's when Trump has to turn to the MAGA rabble and will start blaming the Dems for the "obstructions they are putting in the way" etc etc and his base starts to get dangerous in a very different way. |
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5 Feb
4:57pm, 5 Feb 2025
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J2R
SPR wrote: I'm presuming that wasn't supposed to be to me @J2R Sorry, no, it was simbil I meant! |
5 Feb
5:06pm, 5 Feb 2025
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jda
simbil wrote: SPR wrote: The problem with this line of reasoning is that it leads to post-hoc rationalisation of anything and everything. "Yes, Trump said X, but he didn't mean it." "What do you mean, no-one expected Y. Trump said it explicitly!" One of the elementary results from propositional calculus is that if you start from a contradiction, you can conclude anything and everything: (A and not-A) implies B regardless of what B is! |
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5 Feb
5:09pm, 5 Feb 2025
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jda
Sorry there's an extra mistaken attribution in there. It wasn't SPR.
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5 Feb
5:19pm, 5 Feb 2025
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Johnny Blaze
Step 1 is to hollow out federal departments by kicking out or "encouraging" as many decent people to retire as possible. This may mean burning everything down for a while. Step 2 is to install as many MAGA loyalists in place as possible. Step 3 "should" be for the Dems to fix this shitshow when they get elected again. I'm not convinced a) they can win an election for the foreseeable future or b) they gave the cojones to reverse the Trump changes even if they do win. This is an almighty sea change that's underway. It's going to get a lot worse. The only way this is going to stop is if the people get off their arses and rise up. If they don't, democracy in the USA is over. |
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