18 Jan
3:39pm, 18 Jan 2025
18,364 posts
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jdawayinamanger
Johnny Blaze wrote: In the US today ...there are many tens of millions of decent people who are horrified at the thought of the incoming president. |
18 Jan
4:22pm, 18 Jan 2025
33,580 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Eh? Was Trump at the negotiations? Don't see Trump here? Or do we have to buy the line that he magicked it up just by being around? Seems a bit Fox News... search.app |
18 Jan
4:28pm, 18 Jan 2025
25,598 posts
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Dave W
I wouldn't go to the US at the moment if you paid me. About a quarter of the country are raving lunatics. Or desperate. Or both.
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18 Jan
4:30pm, 18 Jan 2025
247 posts
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Joe1970
That link talks about: "Steve Witkoff President-elect Donald Trump’s special envoy to the Middle East has met separately in recent weeks with Netanyahu and Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, another key mediator. Witkoff, a Florida real estate investor and co-chair of Trump’s inaugural committee, has kept in contact with Biden’s foreign policy team as the incoming Trump and outgoing Biden administrations coordinated on the deal." Biden (or, his team) could have made this happen months ago if he wanted to, but he didn't. Trump (or, his team) are the thing that's changed the equation. |
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18 Jan
4:43pm, 18 Jan 2025
33,581 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Fair bag. I missed that. Cynically, I would have thought Trump would have wanted to delay matters until next week to claim the win. As it is, it was on Biden's watch, as Trump had no power to reach agreements on behalf of the state. I am certain that the next 4 years will be all about: things that go right: Trump things that go wrong: somebody else, probably the Dems, the Woke, or the Deep State. |
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18 Jan
4:49pm, 18 Jan 2025
248 posts
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Joe1970
Oh agreed, Trump will deflect blame for anything bad onto anyone he can. I give him some credit for the ceasefire though merely to point out how utterly useless Biden was rather than to suggest Trump is a good guy.
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18 Jan
4:55pm, 18 Jan 2025
33,582 posts
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Johnny Blaze
As for Ukraine, I have no clue what the future holds, but I fear the worst.
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18 Jan
4:59pm, 18 Jan 2025
18,366 posts
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jdawayinamanger
Funny that about Trump. After all, Starmer hasn’t tried to blame the Tories for anything bad happening since he was elected 
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18 Jan
5:05pm, 18 Jan 2025
25,600 posts
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Dave W
Democrats should make the next four years of Republican governance as gruelling and painful as possible Article in the Guardian. I have to agree with this because the Republicans do not fight fair when they have the power. That’s how they got so many RW judges onto SCOTUS. Make sure that they struggle and squirm at every opportunity. And lay all the blame on Trump and his billionaire henchmen and assorted hangers-on. |
18 Jan
6:13pm, 18 Jan 2025
5,773 posts
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J2R
Johnny Blaze wrote: Yup. I am convinced one of the main reasons people voted for Trump is that he gives them permission to be the worst version of themselves - unashamedly, and ramped up to the max - it's all acceptable now. One of the signs of an intelligent and wise person is that they continually work to gain mastery over their base impulses: Trump essentially is the exemplar of giving free rein to the worst side of your nature. Absolutely right. And it has forever changed the American presidency. Before Trump, there was always this notion, fanciful though it often was, that the president had to be a superior class of person, of greater wisdom and probity than your average person in the street - George Washington's "I cannot tell a lie". Now people have observed that it's actually a free-for-all power grab, where brazen lying is a valid tool for advancement, and that the basest person can rise to the top if they have the chutzpah. There's no going back. |
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