Nov 2020
11:07am, 10 Nov 2020
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Chrisull
The first eye witness at Four Seasons Landscaping turns out to be a convicted sex offender: politico.com Those other 130 affadavits are likely to be of a similar quality... There is a total irony here that cheating in elections has been going on for years 1) The electoral college is rigged to ensure the Republicans are always delivered a majority above the public vote. 2) State wide gerrymandering of districts to maximise voting: blogs.lse.ac.uk 3) Voter suppression: bbc.co.uk Neither party has had a particular need to recourse to "ballot rigging", given that loads of "legal" avenues remain open to them. The main problem is that Trump is very intellectually challenged and couldn't see how: a) Rubbishing mail-in ballots, despite it being a good way of reaching low propensity Republican voters b) Making sure the mail-in ballots were counted last because he was going to (and did try to) claim victory before the count had finished was an absolutely stupid tactic. Strategically he has been awful, and politically it has been awful. He could have won the election legitimately I'm sure (maximise the Republican mail in vote, locked down early on Covid and got track and trace up and working, hammered the Democrats on law and order and the economy), but he was too fucking stupid to attempt to play by any rulebook. |
Nov 2020
11:14am, 10 Nov 2020
13,239 posts
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Markymarkmark
Thank goodness for his stupidity, then, Chrisull!
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Nov 2020
11:15am, 10 Nov 2020
3,211 posts
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J2R
I also think that there's another factor at play with him, and the Republicans in general. They wouldn't hesitate to cheat and lie to achieve victory - in fact in Trump's case he would instinctively do so even if there were no need, in preference to winning fairly. So I'm sure they imagine that the Democrats have been cheating as well, as they could not conceive of another way of working.
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Nov 2020
11:21am, 10 Nov 2020
16,882 posts
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Chrisull
Meanwhile over 12,000 lead in Georgia, Arizona reduced to 14,000 but still on track to be Biden's. And then Trump campaign files PA lawsuit, alleges “'two-track' system resulted in voters being held to different standards depending on how they chose to exercise their right to vote." So basically he is suing the principle of cured ballots. Which is insane. Because: a) Very few ballots needed curing b) This is completely legal He's arguing that some states allowing you to cure them and others not creates this two track system. However the two tracks is caused by the individual state's legislature. This has actually been challenged in court twice before, and in both situations, "a federal judge said the state had a rational basis for treating different kinds of voters differently." Attorney General of PA has said "we're already prepared for this... Sleep tight. We will protect the laws of our Commonwealth and the will of the people." |
Nov 2020
3:52pm, 10 Nov 2020
12,620 posts
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larkim
Hilariously poor failure to use image creation software problem at the heart of government. I'm not even sure how you'd go about being so incompetent that a trace history of the remnants of a digital image would persist like this. theguardian.com |
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Nov 2020
3:53pm, 10 Nov 2020
16,883 posts
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Chrisull
Meanwhile my son has forwarded me this. Seems possible that Trump doesn't believe the votes are fraud, he's just using it as a pretext for a constitutional coup. This is a pretty dark scenario: ted.com |
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Nov 2020
3:56pm, 10 Nov 2020
12,621 posts
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larkim
On Trump 2024. It's often said that the one thing the Tories can't abide is a loser. Lose an election and you're toast. I'd presume the same would broadly work for the Republicans too. What odds against a truly independent Trump on the ballot in 4 years time up against a "traditional" Republican candidate? The question is whether Trump can be bothered to sustain interest in national and foreign policy now that he's lost. |
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Nov 2020
3:59pm, 10 Nov 2020
16,884 posts
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Chrisull
It may not matter if he can bypass the election result and declare himself winner. All he needs to do is delay long enough until the Senate get to rule on it....
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Nov 2020
4:07pm, 10 Nov 2020
12,622 posts
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larkim
He won't be able to sustain that; it's worth the US legislators taking a look at how they wrest power from a president in denial, but when 75m have voted against him, and a further number of millions who voted for him would also very likely be appalled at the absence of a democratic outcome, he'll face an unsustainable tide. Mind you, all it will take is one court victory and one state's result "swung" for him to use it as an example of why the whole thing is wrong. I still think that in the House the non-Trump republicans would baulk at installing an undemocratic President though. Not saying that there isn't something "possible" in that ted talk stuff, and in 2020 nothing would surprise me, but Trump may have 70m votes, but he doesn't have 70m ferverent supporters. |
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Nov 2020
4:32pm, 10 Nov 2020
3,213 posts
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J2R
I sincerely hope you're right there, larks. I do fear the way this is going, I have to say. To start out with it looked like Trump was on his own and the leadership of the Republican Party were distancing themselves from him, but that no longer seems the case, they're going along with the insanity.
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