Aug 2019
10:02am, 30 Aug 2019
2,222 posts
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J2R
The issue of bias is a tricky one. It's not that an organisation such as the BBC sets out to be biased in its reporting by favouring one side over the other. It's rather that they strive to be 'balanced', which is all very well as long as both viewpoints are equidistant from the agreed centre position. But when you have a viewpoint as extreme as favouring leaving the EU without a deal (extreme as determined by the fact that almost all economists and business people are dead against it), if you take a centre point between that and the remain position (which is basically to continue doing what we've been doing successfully for ages, albeit with tweaks), you have moved that centre far to the right. Also, it comes down to the voguish tendency to treat opinions as if they have the same weight as facts (something which, as I have said before, I believe has its roots in Leftish academia but has now been adopted and weaponised by the populist Right). I saw a good quote on the subject recently (maybe it was here  ) - as a journalist, if someone says it's raining and someone else says it's dry, your job is not to report both opinions with equal weight, but to stick your head out of the window and check. Facts matter.
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Aug 2019
10:25am, 30 Aug 2019
15,997 posts
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Stander
Scottish courts not granted an interim interdict to halt poroguation. Good. Knee-jerking panic has never been the correct way for the law to operate. Full hearing has been brought forward though. |
Aug 2019
10:34am, 30 Aug 2019
32,262 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I don't think that tells you either way what the court thinks Stander. Just that they don't think rushing it (an interim interdict) is necessary, but that the full hearing will look at the case on merit. Joanna Cherry, who raised it, doesn't seem phased. ft.com
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Aug 2019
10:37am, 30 Aug 2019
32,263 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Same article - John Major to "seek to assist the Court" on the basis he was a minister and prime minister in the case brought by Gina Miller against prorogation. Courts are certainly becoming involved... G
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Aug 2019
10:48am, 30 Aug 2019
8,452 posts
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larkim
I cna't see the courts getting in the way of this one. With the Fixed Term Parliaments in place, we've lost the memory of the PM having authority to call a snap election for purely political means, but that was par for the course. With the classic unwritten constitution of course, it is inevitable that there are grey areas - how long should a parliament last? If Bojo wants a 5 week recess, why not a 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 52 week? |
Aug 2019
11:00am, 30 Aug 2019
15,068 posts
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Chrisull
The court order isn't going to succeed anyway, the prorogation has been drafted in such a way that legally it's nothing that special, according the FT pundit David Allen Green. It's a sideshow, not the real battle. The real battle remains, a) can remain leaning mps come up with a legislative block to no deal (also unlikely) AND b) if they can't, can they vote down the Queen's speech. That will be a lot closer I suspect, and there the best chance lies of success. Also easier for Tory mps to do rather than to vote in a Corbyn led govt. They should vote down the Queens speech because the leaked measures (such as extra exclusions in schools, yeah just what we need) so far are *mainly* (not all) shit and right wing crowd pleasers, rather than proper policies. |
Aug 2019
11:28am, 30 Aug 2019
8,138 posts
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simbil
Tommy, apologies if someone else mentioned it but conference recess is something that would have been voted on by MPs and voted down if opposition are organised enough. No idea why summer recess was voted through - gave BoJo free reign over the summer. The period of suspension could be just a couple of days rather than 5 weeks if it were genuine. One Tory mp was caught on camera admitting it was all about Brexit but has since been slapped down by the ministry of untruth in no 10. It’s worrying that the no 10 line of this having nothing to do with Brexit is seemingly believed by many. |
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Aug 2019
11:30am, 30 Aug 2019
8,139 posts
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simbil
Chris, another angle is to amend the queens speech but time very very tight on that.
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Aug 2019
11:31am, 30 Aug 2019
32,264 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
How does voting down the Queen's Speech stop Brexit Chris?
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Aug 2019
11:34am, 30 Aug 2019
287 posts
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deslauriers
Simbil- on Facebook Leavers openly admit this is about Brexit.
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