Polarized training

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J2R
Jun 2015
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J2R
I know top-level racers vary their pace but that's normally as a race tactic, a surge to see if they can see off a rival for example, rather than a means of getting fast time per se. I'd be interested to hear more about this.

Just realised that one consequence of what I said above about my heart rate remaining lower during this 5K done as an interval session is that, in strict terms, it no longer qualifies as part of my high intensity quotient, nearly all being below 90%! This is clearly daft, though, as I was running 500 metre repeats at faster than 5K pace which has got to be high intensity. So I think what it really shows is the limitations of heart rate as a means of measuring intensity for the fast stuff. I know Canute favours observation of respiration instead.
SPR
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SPR
The world records are even paced apart from 800m.

Surges are tactic as nobody that wants to win is likely to willingly let a surge go, therefore the person that copes the best wins.
SPR
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SPR
In a track race you usually kick with 400m to go and then again at 100m, but the 400m kick isn't all out.
SPR
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SPR
Marathon WR is negative split.
SPR
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SPR
Interesting J2R.

The guidance for Gerschler intervals has 180 as the max limit for the intervals. Given the testing for Gerschler intervals was on participants with max HR over 200, that would also equate to sub 90% max.

Ninky Nonk - didn't realise you do New intervals now. Do you still do Gerschler ones? If not, what made you switch?
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2:56pm, 9 Jun 2015
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EarlyRiser
Race tactic surges I understand, but as you say SPR, the very fastest times are even-paced. For personal best-times is there a road-race equivalent of that last lap kick, held at a level just below all-out fatigue, then recovery (for how long? at what pace?) and then all-out over the last 100-150m or so. Perhaps I should hit the track?!

And all in order to post a better time. Common-sense says doesn't seem likely. But I'm appreciating from my own training and reading here and elsewhere (e.g. the NI site) that pace variation might have merit, not only in training. Doing so, rotates the emphasis over different physiological systems? I'll experiment with this.
SPR
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ER - I don't think the track kick is a kick and recover, more kick, maintain, then kick again. In a race against others, you wouldn't get a chance to really slow down to recover.

I think the same applies to road. Of you're racing someone, you'd increase effort from 400m or up to 1km out, then kick again from 200-100m out.

Most 5,000m and 10,000m races have that at the end.
SPR
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SPR
Most world records above 800m have a fast finish.
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Ninky Nonk
Hey spr. To be honest I mix it up a fair bit. In past few weeks have varied from 4*1200 @3k pace with 2min standing rec, 6*800 @5k pace off 90 sec jogs, sand dune sprints, 100m hill sprints, 10mins tempo 2min rec with 2 x 5mins tempo, football field @mile pace...you get the gist.

With regards gerschler and pirie intervals i have always struggled to get hr as high as 180 and then back down.

To get up to 180 would be all out sprint for 400m for me. If you look at that last set I posted at last couple of 100s I was sub 15 secs on a football field in road shoes but probably still only got to 160. Without hr monitors and manually taking hr I sort of take the 180/120 rule with a pinch of salt. Maybe I'm just not fit enough.
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Ninky Nonk
I've done the 200/200 hadd fartlek before and nearly ran a 10k pb.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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