Polarized training

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Mar 2017
11:39am, 15 Mar 2017
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Chrisull
Possibly - but I think the strength training as well (sorry forgot to mention) is what first made a noticeable difference.
SPR
Mar 2017
11:46am, 15 Mar 2017
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SPR
I'm a fan of strength training and it doesn't have to be complicated (unless rehabbing etc) use compound lifts like squats, cleans, deadlifts. Again part of a balanced training program.
Mar 2017
12:30pm, 15 Mar 2017
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Chrisull
Yep - single legged squats with weights, bench step ups (well steps) with weights. Resistance band stuff. It doesn't take long, but I can feel it in my legs 2-3 days afterwards.

The question is - if I hadn't done the base last year, would I still be making these improvements. I think yes.
J2R
Mar 2017
2:17pm, 15 Mar 2017
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J2R
Glad to hear the Billat 30-30s are working out for you, Chrisull! They've proved very effective for me in recent years, as I mentioned. As to whether you will continue to see the same level of improvement week after week, my experience suggests that you may not. My feeling is that they're a superb early season workout to rapidly regain speed lost over December and January (when I always take a bit of a dip), but I don't keep speeding up at the same rate after 2-3 months of them. I do think they work well to maintain speed, though, and remain one of my core workouts all year round, particularly as the impact on my body seems pretty light from them.

I tend to focus a little more on stamina related workouts as the season develops. In the last couple of weeks I've started experimenting with a tweak on the Billats which I hope will work the systems related to stamina a little more. I normally run 40-40s (or thereabouts) instead of 30-30s, because that's how long it takes me to cover a specific stretch of track in my local park at VO2max pace. My tweak is to drop off the pace slightly, so I'm running more like 43-44s, which brings me closer to 5K pace, but substantially cutting down the recoveries, to 20 or even 10 seconds. I'm hoping this will make it more of a lactate shuttle type workout, like 'New Interval Training'. Very early days yet, of course, but I'll report back!
Mar 2017
3:26pm, 15 Mar 2017
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Chrisull
J2R - ok cool - it suggests 8 weeks for the 10% improvement , I'm now at 6 weeks out of 8 and still improving, so I will probably change after the last 2. Interestingly strava graphs the improvements as a curve and I can see I'm flattening off slowly while still improving.

Interesting session tweaks, yes I notice that as I tire and struggle to hit the mark in the final 2 or 3 of the session, that I tend to run through at a more uniform pace, ie I keep the recovery pace going for fear of dropping momentum too much, and Garmin connect shows the speed ripples get less pronounced between the hard and easy 30s.

I agree the impact is relatively light (unlike the strength work!)
Mar 2017
9:16pm, 28 Mar 2017
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Chrisull
Ok so 30-30s are rested now after 6 weeks (I thought I'd done 7 sets but Garmin says 6). Their effectiveness is proven to me, however my VO2 max I think now outstrips my legs ability to keep up on the hills - I need to focus my efforts on strength and hillwork and a bit more longer endurance I think as after 8 miles I seem to peter out a bit now.

It is really interesting the stats on strava and Garmin tell me so much, showing my ability to hit the speeds I did 2 years ago is impaired still, but my ability to hold my speed for longer is as good as it was when I ran my 5 mile pb 2 years ago.
J2R
Mar 2017
1:27pm, 29 Mar 2017
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J2R
Interesting view of your progress there, Chrisull. I think you're probably right to think the benefit of the 30-30s has started to plateau now. I tend to do one at least every couple of weeks throughout the year to keep from losing speed, but they're at their best as an early season booster, or when you've been concentrating more on long slow distance for a while and want to quickly get some speed back.

Like you, I'm focusing on stamina building for longer runs at the moment. I'm doing a number of variants of longish reps at around 10K pace, e.g., 1km reps with 2 minute jogging recoveries, or 1.35 miles with 2 minute standing recoveries. The peculiar distance of this latter one is actually because it's based on time, not distance - it's how far I run in 8 minutes at the required pace. This is intended to be Stephen Seiler's 4 x 8 minute workout, which he found to be peculiarly effective at pushing up VO2max and extending time to exhaustion (at least among cyclists - I've not seen anything where this is confirmed for runners). I have to say I find it a very difficult workout, and I always feel I can only just about complete it, which is puzzling to me as I can run a 36 minute or so 10K at (obviously) 10K pace, yet struggle with 32 minutes at that pace, broken into 4 chunks with decent recoveries. Just shows what a difference a race makes, I presume.
Mar 2017
3:19pm, 29 Mar 2017
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Chrisull
J2R - I was actually looking at 1km reps - perhaps trying/moving on to the the 8 minute reps. I've done some 10 minute reps in the past, and they are similarly difficult.
J2R
Mar 2017
11:45am, 30 Mar 2017
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J2R
Chrisull, I made a mistake in what I wrote above, I should have said that I do the 1km reps with 1 minute jogging recoveries, not 2 minutes. I think it probably does something slightly different from the 4 x 8 sessions, more along the lines of lactate shuttle training, which has been talked about on here before. Of course, the science is far from agreed on and this may all turn out to be so much hooey, but then at least I'm doing varied stuff and some bit of what I'm doing might work :).

This is all within the context of polarized training, just to be clear. Most of my training is running at a nice easy relaxed pace, where I could comfortably talk in whole sentences if I were running with someone, and I've built a more substantial mileage base than previous years so far. I'm just experimenting a bit more at the moment with what I do for the 20%, the one or two hard sessions per week.
Mar 2017
12:47pm, 30 Mar 2017
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Chrisull
Yep 3 sessions a week for me are done under 80% heart rate too.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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