Polarized training
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Apr 2014
11:29pm, 2 Apr 2014
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Canute
I hope this is not getting too wordy, but I think the issues are important. I hope other will post their ideas as well. With regard to question of the applicability of the findings of the Stoggl and Sterlich study (of athletes aged in their thirties to middle aged athletes) there is little doubt that there will be individual differences in what works best. The virtual impossibility of doing studies in a sample truly representative of the entire running community makes it necessary to draw the most plausible conclusions we can from the overall body of evidence, including evidence regarding the mechanism of the benefits and/or damage of a particular type of training. A substantial body of evidence indicates that the harm of too much high intensity training is due to a catabolic state, associated with high level of stress hormones. As recovery from a catabolic state is generally slower in older runners, it is very unlikely that a higher volume of high intensity running would beneficial in older runner when the studies we have discussed indicate it is not beneficial in younger runners. So the issue is: should middle aged runner so do any high intensity training? There are several studies showing health benefits from high intensity training in older men. See for example, Olesen and colleagues showed improved metabolic measures including increased aerobic enzymes after HIT in older men. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24514907. Kiviniemi and colleagues showed improved parasympathetic nervous function following 6 sessions of 4-6x30 s of all-out cycling efforts with 4-min recovery in middle aged men. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Thus both of these studies showed significant health benefits following HIT in middle aged or elderly men. I therefore think it is sensible for middle aged or elderly men to do polarised training with a modest amount if HIT, but I the proportion of high intensity training should be increased quite gradually, and effects monitored closely. I would value the opinions of others. |
Apr 2014
8:51am, 3 Apr 2014
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Velociraptor
I have no opinions to offer on the subject at the moment (been too busy flicking through other research to get stuck in on Pub Med) but am very much enjoying having my education facilitated by your posts. Thanks, Canute
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Apr 2014
10:29am, 3 Apr 2014
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Drell
Canute, do you think there are likely to be significant differences for older women (from older men)? I'm very much enjoying this discussion, I like the idea of actually looking at relevant evidence |
Apr 2014
1:20pm, 3 Apr 2014
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Canute
Drell, There are several studies of HIT that have focused on women ; some are studies on younger women and some on middle aged, extending to the post menopausal age range. In general HIT is reported to be safe and effective in women across the age range. For example Klonizakis and colleagues from Sheffield compared HIT with low intensity training in post-menopausal women, The HIT consisted of six sessions of ten 1-minute intervals of cycling exercise at 100% of peak power output separated by 1 minute of active recovery. The low intensity training was six sessions of involved 40 minutes of continuous cycling at 65% of peak power output The HIT produced greater improvement in aerobic fitness (peak oxygen uptake capcity) than the low intensity training, despite much shorter time spent on HIT. |
Apr 2014
1:31pm, 3 Apr 2014
934 posts
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Canute
It should be noted that in the Klonizakis study, the low intensity training did produce some improvements. Therefore, it seems likely that the polarised approach will also be effective in women across the age range. It is possible that women might actually tolerate a larger proportion of high intensity training than men. I do not know of any direct evidence for this. In general women cope better with some stresses than men, but we are now getting into a controversial area.
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Apr 2014
1:34pm, 3 Apr 2014
935 posts
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Canute
Here is the pubmed link to the Klonizakis study: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Apr 2014
1:38pm, 3 Apr 2014
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Anna Bomb
This is all very interesting Canute, keep it coming
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Apr 2014
10:36pm, 3 Apr 2014
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SPR
I think I said this to Canute via fmail rather than on the thread. They need to fix easy running in the studies as you could say that progress was down to the balance of easy running vs other faster paced running. In regard to the HIT study, that falls into the comparison of easy vs HIT thing that a lot of studies fall into. Where they fail is longevity. We know faster paces give a greater bang for buck in the short term, but it is not sustainable as a long term plan. |
Apr 2014
12:40am, 4 Apr 2014
936 posts
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Canute
SPR I was not suggesting that it is desirable to do what was done in the HIT studies as regular training. I was merely presenting the evidence indicating that that HIT appears safe and effective in the middle aged and older men and women. However, as you imply, doing multiple weekly sessions of HIT regularly for many weeks creates a risk of accumulating stress. In the Stoggl study, HIT achieved greater gains than high volume training or threshold training, but it was less beneficial than polarised training, probably because of a catabolic state due to accumulated stress associated with too much HIT. The aim of the polarised training is to do a small amount of HIT together with a larger amount of easy training each week. Thus we might obtain the benefits of HIT over a long period of time, without the risk of damage due to accumulated stress from too much HIT. I agree with you that it would be interesting to see the results of studies in which the easy running is fixed (probably at 80%) while various different schedules for the higher intensity sessions are compared. |
Apr 2014
7:25pm, 6 Apr 2014
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Canute
Week 5 of polarized training: Easy run: 244 min, 39Km, 6:15 /Km, aHR 117 (76% max) 732 b/Km Easy elliptical: 45 min Tempo: 20 min, aHR 89% max High intensity: 20 min (5x3 min + 1x5 min) peak HR 94% max Total duration: 329 min Proportions easy/threshold/high: 88/6.0/6.0 Another hectic week at work and a mild exacerbation of arthritis limited the total training volume. |
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