Polarized training

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J2R
Oct 2015
2:28pm, 10 Oct 2015
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J2R
Canute, I'd be interested in your views on something which comes up in the document Ninky Nonk linked to above, summarizing Canova's ideas on training. You may have answered this before, in which case I apologize, but it's a very long thread!

It's to do with the continued importance of high volume, low intensity work. "Canova acknowledges that high mileage training and long easy runs can promote capillary growth and mitochondrial growth, but he points out that this cannot continue indefinitely—once the athlete has maximized his or her mitochondrial density and capillary beds, there is no reason to continue to do high volume...Mileage must increase for the first 3-5 years of a runner’s career; after that, it is not so important, according to Canova." This is presumably the reason high volume, low intensity work isn't referred to much by Canova - it is supposed to have already occurred earlier.

So, my obvious question is does this apply at a recreational runner level too (if, that is, you agree with the premise that it applies at all)? Does there come a point where you no longer need to keep doing the low intensity high volume stuff? I would imagine that the realistic answer to this is no, because the athletes the author mentions who are doing a 'low' weekly mileage are still doing 80-90 miles a week, way more than most recreational athletes do, so it's all relative.
Oct 2015
4:15pm, 10 Oct 2015
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Canute
J2R,

For all athletes, whether elite or recreational, there are diminishing returns from training of any type. Furthermore, a large volume of low intensity training is likely to be specially beneficial in the early years.

However there are four reasons to question that statement by Canova.

1) Several studies, most notably that by Stoggl and Sperlich ncbi.nlm.nih.gov demonstrated that a polarised approach was more beneficial than either a predominantly high intensity approach or a predominantly threshold training approach in well trained athletes.

2) The studies by Stephen Seiler and colleagues indicate that successful elite athletes (including marathoners such a Ingrid Kristiansen, world record in the 1990’s) used a polarised approach.

3) At least some of the elite marathoners trained by Canova (eg Moses Mosop) , do/did quite a lot of low intensity training.

4) Low intensity training helps build several physiological systems, in additional to capillaries and mitochondria. These other systems include lactate transport into type 1 fibres and also preferential metabolism of fats. A program that includes too much high intensity will favour preferential metabolism of glucose (not good for marathoners). It is likely that at least a moderate amount of low intensity training is required to maintain ability to metabolise fats
Oct 2015
5:48pm, 10 Oct 2015
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Ninky Nonk
I find it hard to believe that a recreational runner would reach that point.

The statement isn't saying no one needs to run high mileage only some of his athletes. This is the skill of a coach. Not a applying a blanket formula or philosophy to everyone who turns up at a track. Recognising that everyone is an individual.

So the question j2r is that given your training history and current fitness have you maxed out your mitochondrial and capillary density? And depending on the answer what are you going to do next?
J2R
Oct 2015
6:09pm, 10 Oct 2015
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J2R
Canute, thanks for your insights, as ever.

NN, you're quite right, and I think I did suggest that in my post - I am nowhere near maxing out my mitochondrial and capillary density, as I don't do anything like the kind of mileage. This doesn't apply to me. I was more interested in it from a general training ideas point of view, whether it is a qualification some people might have to bear in mind for polarized training.
Oct 2015
7:45pm, 11 Oct 2015
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Hills of Death (HOD)
I'm at a loss why I'm running so bad maybe I'm not doing enough miles I keep thinking maybe my peak flow. It's so frustrating
Oct 2015
7:57pm, 11 Oct 2015
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100forRNIB
Miles = Smiles HOD.

You can get fast over 5k doing low mileage fast training but over marathon distance slow(er) high(er) mileage is definitely good.
J2R
Oct 2015
11:29am, 12 Oct 2015
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J2R
How many miles per week are you doing, HOD?

Peak flow is easy enough to test. Have you been tested for asthma before? It made a massive difference to me when I was diagnosed with asthma a couple of years ago, it explained why I never seemed to be getting that much fitter whatever I did at certain times. I get affected by cold, and by certain pollens, and also to some extent just by strenuous exercise. After a couple of weeks on the Seretide which I was prescribed, I really felt I'd got a full set of lungs back and it made all the difference. The asthma I suffer from is pretty minor and would probably pass unnoticed for most people, but when you're trying to squeeze the last bit of functionality out of your lungs as a competitive runner, you really notice these things!
Oct 2015
11:53am, 12 Oct 2015
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Hills of Death (HOD)
30 at the moment
Oct 2015
11:54am, 12 Oct 2015
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Yes J2R I need to be assessed going doctor next week
Oct 2015
1:24pm, 12 Oct 2015
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GlennR
I didn't notice the asthma until I started getting faster, then I realised that warm spring and summer days were having a serious impact.

About This Thread

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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