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Aug 2017
3:47pm, 15 Aug 2017
11,616 posts
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Chrisull
So do we have any coaches on the thread that advocate people who take 5 hours thereabouts for a marathon from a 18 week program should be spending 3.5-4 hours, once a week on a long run in one mesocycle? And if they do, what is their experience of the injury ratio? (The talk was about avoiding/managing injuries)
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Aug 2017
3:56pm, 15 Aug 2017
13,275 posts
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
Perhaps I'm being thick, as usual. My point was not about hours on feet, it is about pace.
In my experience, both personal and observing others, people get injured due to running too fast, coupled with insufficient recovery. The factor of time on feet doesn't exist.
As a side point, I agree with a coach's response to the question when should I run a marathon, the answer was 'What year?'.
As discussed with Gobi the other day, runners have an obsession with going long. And going long too quickly.
Before embarking on a marathon programme, you should, in my view have built up, from 5k to 10k to HM over a not insignificant period of time.
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Aug 2017
3:56pm, 15 Aug 2017
15,930 posts
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Wriggling Snake
I am a walking/running experiment. I always try stuff out on ME 😆. Currently the project joker thing which had LSRs much slower than I ever ran them.
Currently running just under 22 mins for 5k. Long Runs right out at 9.30...so Iam going to continue that into the spring, increasing distance, as I finish these runs at that pace feeling fine.
Another truism is that you should finidh a long run feeling you can csrry on.
5 hours. I still think your training must move towards this provided you psce is apprpriate.i.e slower than 5 hour pace.
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Aug 2017
4:06pm, 15 Aug 2017
11,677 posts
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Ultracat
I forgot to add your long run should not exceed 50% of your total weekly mileage. So if you are doing 2-3 runs of 3-4 miles and a 20 mile run you will feel knackered.
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Aug 2017
4:13pm, 15 Aug 2017
11,006 posts
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paul a
It isn't just coaches that know about marathons.
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Aug 2017
4:15pm, 15 Aug 2017
13,277 posts
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
Good point, Paul.
I've often wondered about how people judge the credibility of a coach?
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Aug 2017
4:20pm, 15 Aug 2017
11,007 posts
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paul a
By a piece of paper usually.
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Aug 2017
4:24pm, 15 Aug 2017
2,189 posts
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Tim of MK
I think that 'quality'runners (who do high mileage week in week out) have understandably forgotten
what 'fun runners' go through whilst marathon training.
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Aug 2017
4:44pm, 15 Aug 2017
27,158 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Tim - I'm a fun runner. I just happen to have fun running 70 miles per week and doing sub 6 minute miles, when I can!
And Chris, I think your rant (  err, I mean strident defence of your coach) was meant to be directed at me rather than at Fenners?!
So, we're all agreed. Build up gradually, don't make your long run too much longer than rest of your running, keep the pace slow initially, add on pace after you've got up the distance/time when you are more experienced if you want, and,
... this is the most important:
Epsom salts in the bath and wine in the pub NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND!  G
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Aug 2017
4:57pm, 15 Aug 2017
11,008 posts
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paul a
We are all fun runners (horrible term), why else would we be doing it? I might have run a few marathons but the minute I don't have fun anymore then I will stop.
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