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Nov 2016
8:18pm, 16 Nov 2016
28 posts
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dbroms
Larkim agree with some of your comments but some of the roads i run on have no paths so i have to basically take responsibility that i can be seen and i can see where im running, hence some lights of somekind.
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Nov 2016
8:20pm, 16 Nov 2016
5,067 posts
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Pompey Paul
The problem with a lot of narrow country lanes is they don't have a path/pavement and some drivers hammer down these country lanes as rat runs. A headtorch can save your life!
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Nov 2016
8:31pm, 16 Nov 2016
5,932 posts
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The_Saint
We've had runners at the club who claim to be infallible in terms of "In the dark I only run on pavements and when I cross roads, I do so with such utter perfection that no car could ever hit me". I wish I had such utter confidence.
We also have a "Hi Viz is so unflattering to wear" - less said about that the better.
I was also a bit suspicious of the Youtube video before I recalled the simple truth that 3M didn't invent the dark and to be perfectly consistent we should also say that headtorch manufacturers are in on the scam - going further anything that is marketed on safety grounds too.
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Nov 2016
9:48pm, 16 Nov 2016
1,287 posts
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larkim
Scotch didn't invent the dark, but they did commission a video which would show off their product to its best advantage.
Like i say, I'm not for a minute suggesting that high vis is bad or a marketing gimmick. And on pavement free country roads you'd be mad not to make yourself as visible as possible with lights front and rear and reflective high vis stuff.
I just think that part of the high vis debate has a tendency to demand a higher standard of visibility for runners than any other pedestrian and in a sense gives drivers an excuse for hitting a runner which I don't think they (and me, I'm a driver too) deserve.
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Nov 2016
9:54pm, 16 Nov 2016
21,966 posts
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Derby Tup
Basically (like many aspects of "modern life") it's not bright (;-)) to not look after yourself. Why drive a grey car on a dull day and not switch your lights on? Why not wear a cheap head torch, or a tabbard that costs a few quid? It's not about runner or driver responsibility; it's simply common sense
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Nov 2016
10:14pm, 16 Nov 2016
2,108 posts
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RRR-CAZ
Both for me 
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Nov 2016
8:54am, 17 Nov 2016
26,105 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I'm lucky that I can run where there are no cars. 9 mile hill run in the dark, 2C, horizontal sleet, but zero risk of being hit by a car. Head torch up there is to see what you're about to crash into, not to be seen and avoid being crashed in to. G
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Nov 2016
9:20am, 17 Nov 2016
11,393 posts
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SODIron © 2002
I recently sent a note to all I coach instructing them of the following rules for running outdoors:
1. Always wear reflective and bright clothing
2. Never use mp3 players
3. Wear a head torch when running in poor light (fog, dusk, night etc.) and if they don't have one to stay in well lit areas.
We share the roads and pavements with too many numpties so it's just common sense....
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Nov 2016
9:28am, 17 Nov 2016
27,947 posts
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Old Croc
Having just moved house am finding that every run now needs hi-viz and head torch as a busy but v dark section of country road has to be negotiated every run - or full on dark (completely) forest out the back.
Looking at that proviz site......................
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Nov 2016
9:30am, 17 Nov 2016
27,948 posts
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Old Croc
also a velcro LED armband - grand cost of about £3 per pair from Aldi
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