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Jun 2017
3:23pm, 7 Jun 2017
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Chrisull
Thanks Andrew for your fascinating and comprehensive answer
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Jun 2017
4:24pm, 7 Jun 2017
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Brunski
I do like a lively thread....
AndrewS - another thanks from me for your contributions, I'm going to re-read them a couple of times to make sure they sink in!
DMZ - I think what you're saying is akin to my experiences and whilst having seen 159 in the last few weeks with the new watch, I reckon my max for training zone purposes will be 165.
SSLP - do you class all sub LT running as aerobic? Or do you use a certain %age of max to keep the 80/20 balance in your training?
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Jun 2017
4:41pm, 7 Jun 2017
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AndrewS
Brunski- would be happy to elaborate/explain anything in there if needed. They aren't the most coherent pieces that I have ever written 
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Jun 2017
5:12pm, 7 Jun 2017
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SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
Brunski - I consider Lactate Threshold (or Tempo) as being around 87% (the limit of running for an hour without drop in pace or raise in HR), but Aerobic Threshold as being around 75%/77%. It's the latter that I use as a guide to the 80/20 training
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Jun 2017
5:27pm, 7 Jun 2017
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Nelly
SSLHP - I presume the 80%/20% is by time, not distance?
Personally, I get nowhere near 20%... last week I barely made it above 10% (by time), and I'd say that's fairly typical.
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Jun 2017
6:10pm, 7 Jun 2017
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Bazoaxe
This thread has taken an unexpected route, but interesting nevertheless....
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Jun 2017
7:17pm, 7 Jun 2017
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AndrewS
That might have been my fault...sorry 'bout that
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Jun 2017
8:59pm, 7 Jun 2017
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Brunski
SSLHP - cheers for the zones, will bear them in mind!
What is the zone between Aerobic and Threshold zones for - Is this the grey area mentioned in the sidebar that you should stay out of if you're after improving fitness?
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Jun 2017
9:02pm, 7 Jun 2017
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Bazoaxe
for the positive I meant
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Jun 2017
9:18pm, 7 Jun 2017
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larkim
I know there's not likely to be a definitive answer to this, but if someone marathon trained using the 80/20 ratio, but instead of dipping into the aerobic zone for 80% they trained in the grey zone instead, how much slower do we think they would be, all other things being equal? Say a 90 minutes half already in the bag, moving up to marathon?
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